The topic of the “Davidic Servant” continues to prove an annoyance for the upper crust of the Church

[High Spy]

The topic of the “Davidic Servant” continues to prove an annoyance for the upper crust of the Church. And this is perhaps why the LDS Apologist/Think Tank “FAIR” churned out a short piece refuting the idea over the weekend



… Given the vast empire religion wields over the minds of its adherents, such a deprecation serves as an implicit form of censorship calculated to make external scholarship to that of the consensus appear fringe. By doing so, this apologist effectively turns the minds of most would-be investigator away from researching the topic for himself …

https://twitter.com/ChinoBlanco/status/ ... 1160297930

https://www.thatzionmaygoforth.com/p/th ... -of-mormon

Miraculously the file size of the image showed 38kb =~ Article#1

[juliet]

What are the reasons he gives for it being, not just wrong, but completely wrong, and not all claims to believe in it are wrong, but just most?

If he says it like that, what am I supposed to take away from this? Nothing concrete.

[juliet]

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/hom ... ent-events

The link wasn't working so I found this one.

Wow, this is a piece of work. Clearly the early prophets referred to the Davidic Servant as a man. If they were referring to Jesus Christ, they would have used a name that Jesus Christ uses. David is clearly a different name than Jesus, as is Peter, James and John.

It's possible that Joseph Smith Jr. considered himself to be the Davidic Servant. Was he not martyred?

The way the article is written appears very biased, not in the search for truth, but the fear behind the article is palpable. They don't want anyone to believe anything that isn't official church doctrine, even though it's official church doctrine to seek the truth, that those who seek the truth will have the mysteries of God revealed to them, and that we believe there are things that are yet to be revealed. If these things that are yet to be revealed do not come from the church then where will they come from? The church has to back walk on a lot of official doctrine to discount the world's need for continued revelation, and the fact that the every day person doesn't know the mysteries of God without seeking them out. If the church discourages seeking the mysteries of God because it is not official church doctrine, then that is not official church doctrine. How much official church doctrine does the church have to back track on to make these kinds of claims! Quite a lot! And the hypocrisy is becoming apparent.

Jesus taught that He has more than one fold. The 12 tribes of Israel all have important missions. The mission of the tribe of Ephraim is to teach the gospel. It is not to become some sort of world dominant power. God has plans for all of His children and He will organize them according to the needs of humanity.

[BeNotDeceived]

What are the reasons he gives for it being, not just wrong, but completely wrong, and not all claims to believe in it are wrong, but just most?

If he says it like that, what am I supposed to take away from this? Nothing concrete.

Re: Is the Davidic Servant preparing to unveil himself?
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 6#p1495126

Apophenia at work.

The same is true with all those 57's, and with the Stellarium claim.

A short post



https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/search. ... =mazzaroth

To show video at link, and ask was the Star of Bethlehem legit?

Many fall prey to their faulty understanding of Gematria too.

How do you explain continental drip.

— discernment using true principles is the key to righteous understanding.

[High Spy]

Re: There’s no way the Church is not true
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#p1499625

If you think the Lord still leads the church,
show me any indication of it - any indication at all !

The church facilitated at least one amazing Patriarchal Blessing.

[Finrock]

Re: There’s no way the Church is not true
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#p1499625

If you think the Lord still leads the church,
show me any indication of it - any indication at all !

The church facilitated at least one amazing Patriarchal Blessing.

At least two.

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: Poll - Are you the Davidic Servant?
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 1#p1568101

I don’t think the Davidic Servant is even real anymore. I may be wrong but I think it’s a complete distraction.

If there is one, maybe it's Jesus.

But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.

Doesn’t fit.

[BeNotDeceived]

If there is one, maybe it's Jesus.

Doesn’t fit.

Why not?

Crucification doesn’t hurt.

Because crucifixion hurts.

And the prophecy declares “they shall not hurt him” — not metaphorically, but physically.

This servant — unlike the Lamb led to the slaughter — is marred, yes, but preserved.

“Yet I will heal him…” is the key. Not “raise him.” Not “resurrect him.” Heal him. A living witness. A Servant made whole in real time to show that the Lord’s wisdom outsmarts Satan’s snare.

Michael Sherwin clarifies:

The Davidic Servant is not Jesus. Jesus is the Father of the Davidic Servant.

Let that sink in.

Not Jesus… but of Jesus. Not dead… but marred. Not rejected… but raised up — as a banner to the people, in the sight of nations, before the great gathering begins.

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

The Servant isn’t a ghost. He’s a sign.

And some, even now, are starting to see.

—Aeye

[High Spy]

Luke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 5:34 am BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 4:58 am Crucification doesn’t hurt. This is simply someone’s interpretation. 3 Nephi 21:10 But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil. What is your interpretation.

LDSBOT
3 Nephi 21:10 says:
"But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil."
This verse is part of a prophecy given by Jesus Christ to the Nephites about the future gathering of Israel and the role of His servant in this process. The "servant" mentioned here is often interpreted as a reference to a future prophet or leader who will play a significant role in the Lord's work.
The phrase "they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them" suggests that while this servant may face challenges or opposition, ultimately, he will be protected and healed by the Lord. This reflects the idea that God's wisdom and power are greater than any opposition or cunning of the adversary.
In terms of interpretation, it emphasizes the Lord's protection and the ultimate triumph of His purposes, even when His servants face difficulties. It's a reminder of the divine support and healing that comes from trusting in God's wisdom and plan.

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/hom ... ent-events doesn’t quote 3 Nephi 21:10, why?

LDSBOT
I don't have access to external websites like FairLatterDaySaints.org, so I can't check why a specific verse like 3 Nephi 21:10 might not be quoted on their page about the Davidic Servant. However, it's possible that the content on that page focuses on different aspects or interpretations of the Davidic Servant that don't directly involve this particular verse.
If you're interested in understanding how 3 Nephi 21:10 might relate to the concept of the Davidic Servant, you might consider looking at other resources or discussions that specifically address this connection. If you have more questions about the Davidic Servant or related topics, feel free to ask!

Re: Marred But Not Hurt (3 Nephi 21:10)

FAIR: Davidic Servant Current Events

Curiously, the FAIR page makes no reference to 3 Nephi 21:10, a verse of deep prophetic relevance:

But behold, the life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.

This verse, spoken by the Lord Himself in the context of the gathering of Israel, gives specific prophetic attributes to “my servant” — notably:

• He shall be marred (not merely opposed, but visibly impacted)
• Yet “they shall not hurt him” — a paradox unless one understands the servant’s life is wholly in God’s hand
• “I will heal him” — indicating restoration, renewal, and divine vindication
• This process will demonstrate God’s wisdom surpasses the adversary’s cunning

As Michael Sherwin insightfully points out:

This servant is marred in appearance or reputation, but not truly harmed—because his identity, his mission, and his life are held in the hand of the Lord. This is a fulfillment of divine purpose, not a tragedy. The healing will be public.

The absence of this scripture in FAIR’s exposition on the Davidic Servant suggests either a theological blind spot or a deliberate omission — possibly because the verse disrupts comfortable narratives. Not every servant emerges unscarred, yet those in God’s hand are never lost.

As for “Crucifixion doesn’t hurt”? Only if:

• The pain is eclipsed by purpose
• The servant sees beyond the suffering
• The body is temporary but the witness eternal

Might we be witnessing such a marring and healing, even now?



For further search:
3 Nephi 21:10, Marred Servant, Davidic Healing, Glory Beyond the Cross

“Yet I will heal him…”

[night0WL]

Re: Is the Davidic Servant preparing to unveil himself?
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 6#p1495126

Apophenia at work.

The same is true with all those 57's, and with the Stellarium claim.

— discernment using true principles is the key to righteous understanding.