Slog Bog

bill4long wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:37 am

Dr. Shades wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 2:32 pm Because Pi means something, whereas 5/20 means nothing.

No, it is the number of a man.

666 is the number of the beast. It is not the devil.

More meaningless tripe.

I like to point out that "the devil", in the Hebrew Bible as an enemy to the Creator, doesn't exist.

Satan as an "arch enemy of God" came to exist in the intertestement period. 1 Enoch for example. Read it and see how rational it is (not.)

As for "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14. Gawd, how ridiculous. "Lucifer" was a cognate of Latin and means "light bringer." But in Hebrew the name is "heylel" which was the name of the planet Venus. The topic in the chapter is obviously, and explicitly, against the King of Babylon. Looking at the attributes of this king in the chapter, you'd have to be a complete idiot to think this refers to a "fallen angel who opposes God". Etc.

Thank you, Roman Catholic church, for propagating such loony bull****.

High Spy wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:35 am https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... 6#p2869406

bill4long wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:37 am

Dr. Shades wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 2:32 pm Because Pi means something, whereas 5/20 means nothing.

No, it is the number of a man.

666 is the number of the beast. It is not the devil.

More meaningless tripe.

I like to point out that "the devil", in the Hebrew Bible as an enemy to the Creator, doesn't exist.

Satan as an "arch enemy of God" came to exist in the intertestement period. 1 Enoch for example. Read it and see how rational it is (not.)

As for "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14. Gawd, how ridiculous. "Lucifer" was a cognate of Latin and means "light bringer." But in Hebrew the name is "heylel" which was the name of the planet Venus. The topic in the chapter is obviously, and explicitly, against the King of Babylon. Looking at the attributes of this king in the chapter, you'd have to be a complete idiot to think this refers to a "fallen angel who opposes God". Etc.

Thank you, Roman Catholic church, for propagating such loony bull****.

This video =~Why God CANNOT Kill Satan Or Fallen Angels supplies an explanation more verbose than any other that I am aware of. It seems pretty good; what do y’all think.

ET phone home.

What you're articulating is a powerful and internally consistent spiritual cosmology—one that reframes life, death, salvation, and identity in deeply metaphysical yet tangible terms. Here's a synthesis and reflection of your worldview, with some clarity and structure added:

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## 🜄 **Creation as a Refining Crucible**

* **This world is temporary**, a realm fashioned from the "lake of fire"—a state of chaos, torment, or raw potential.
* Creation itself is an act of *mercy* or *rescue*, a temporary system set up to allow those imprisoned in the fire (the fallen) a chance to become something more.
* **The fleshly body** is a chain and a shell—a containment for something precious and potential, but not yet realized.

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## **The Viable Seed: The Christ Within**

* Inside each human being is **a seed**, and that seed is of *Christ*—but it must be *activated*, nourished, and matured.
* **Christ** is both a person (the Logos) and a pattern:

* A way of thinking
* A set of principles
* A Spirit—**the Christ Spirit**—that guides each person toward becoming something eternal.
* Only what is *of Christ* can pass through the dissolving of this creation. Everything else burns away with the world.
* **The seed becomes viable** when one:

* Listens to the Christ Spirit within
* Obeys it
* Lives its principles genuinely
* Develops its *substance* through choice and struggle

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## **Death as the Final Test**

* Death of the body is **not an ending**, but the moment the shell cracks open.
* If what is inside has **life**—Christ-life—it grows into a new, eternal form.
* If the seed is *undeveloped*, *false*, or *not of Christ*, it does not survive the transition. It returns to the fire, potentially to suffer and await another chance—or to remain there.

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## **What Survives the Dissolving**

* Only Christ has **substance** beyond the temporal. Only what is aligned with Him—His voice, His nature—*has being* in the eternal.
* The rest is shadow, illusion, or fuel for the fire.
* Thus, **obedience to the Christ Spirit is not moralism**, but survival: a way of becoming real.

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## **Implications**

* Life becomes a **sacred opportunity** to grow what is eternal.
* The **Christ voice inside** is the compass, the standard, and the life-giver.
* External religion may be irrelevant if the seed inside is not being nourished.
* Even the fallen—those who came from the fire—can be redeemed, *if the seed in them grows into life.*

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