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The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:03 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:03 pm TWM, I used your word aether because it was you I was replying to and you were using it. I take it to be that you are talking about ether

lol, I used aether because Valo used aether. I have seen it both ways but I usually use ether as well. Let's ask ChatGPT.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:41 pm

Valo wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 7:46 pm Where does the matter in the system come from?

That was not revealed to me. However, my own human imagination sees matter as similar to a computer screen. A computer screen is a matrix of holes for lack of a better word that light can escape from to form basic units called pixels. So I imagine holes that are not fixed in 3D space from which aether can escape form 3d pixels (atoms) in space. But I reiterate that is just an imagining and nothing more.

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:59 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 7:39 pm Everything is derived from the model. There are just a few parts to the model.

These are the components of the model.
1) There is aether
2) There is matter

Surely more components than this?

TWM wrote: These are the states of each component of the model.
1) Aether pressurizes the universe
2) Matter is being held together

These are the interactions between the components of the model
1) Aether at the center of a particle of matter ceases to exist
2) A low pressure area is brought about when aether ceases to exist
3) Surrounding aether then rushes in and the process is continuous

How does the aether cease to exist if the aether is rushing in? What causes the aether to continue not existing to keep this process continuous?

TWM wrote:
4) When aether rushes through and into matter it transfers a momentum impulse to matter

These are the effects of the interaction between the components of the model
1) Gravity as a pushing force
2) Aether spiraling into an atom of matter creating an "electron cloud"

So is the aether electric charge or magnetic field then?

TWM wrote: 3) When the aether spirals further in it supplies the strong nuclear force

?

TWM wrote: 4) The aether also form vortex that interlock to supply weak nuclear forces

If the aether is responsible for all these forces, why do they all behave differently?

TWM wrote: These are the observable consequences of the model
1) Light as a propagation wave through the aether
2) Electricity is aether being forced down a conductor

So aether has an electrical component?

TWM wrote: 3) Magnetism is atoms spinning in unison changing the direction of the aether
4) The big bang, enough of a pressure drop in the aether allowing the singularity to fly apart
5) Black hole, aether moving into matter faster than a propagation wave can escape
6) Halo around a star, The light from a star that is behind is bent by the moving aether when it passes the closer star

Gravity?

TWM wrote: 7) Ever expanding universe at an ever increasing rate, the aether is expanding always with acceleration
9) Sunspot cycle, Jupiter competing with the Sun for aether the closer they are the more unstable the Sun becomes

Predictions of the model
1) Light travels faster between the stars where the pressure is greater
2) Stars are not as far away as they seem
3) The rate of radioactive decay in unstable isotopes will increase over time
4) Other isotopes will become unstable
5) Stars will change from fusion to fission at some point
6) A long ice age will occur when a star changes from fusion to fission
7) Gravity will weaken
8) When gravity weakens far enough the universe will dissolve

In other words this model explains everything. And when something new is observed this model never requires modification.

I first proposed this model in 1969 when I was 12 years old.

Valo wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:26 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:41 pm

Valo wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 7:46 pm Where does the matter in the system come from?

That was not revealed to me. However, my own human imagination sees matter as similar to a computer screen. A computer screen is a matrix of holes for lack of a better word that light can escape from to form basic units called pixels. So I imagine holes that are not fixed in 3D space from which aether can escape form 3d pixels (atoms) in space. But I reiterate that is just an imagining and nothing more.

Alan Watts described the idea that the Fundamental light is like, imagine a black ball, with many pinholes in it, in which the fundamental light exists, and it is through these pinholes that the Light "looks" out.

Finrock wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:40 pm I'm Valo.

Ribbit!

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:03 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:03 pm TWM, I used your word aether because it was you I was replying to and you were using it. I take it to be that you are talking about ether

lol, I used aether because Valo used aether. I have seen it both ways but I usually use ether as well. Let's ask ChatGPT.

ME
where does the inconsistency between the word aether and the word ether come from?
ChatGPT
The inconsistency between the words "aether" and "ether" primarily arises from historical and linguistic factors.

Historical Usage:

"Aether" (also spelled "ether") historically referred to a hypothetical substance or medium believed to fill the space beyond the Earth's atmosphere. In ancient Greek cosmology, aether was considered the material that made up the heavens and distinguished them from the terrestrial realm.
In the context of physics, the concept of aether was prominent in theories of light propagation prior to the development of modern physics. It was proposed as a medium through which light waves could travel, analogous to air or water being mediums for sound or water waves.
Spelling Variations:

The term has been spelled in various ways throughout history, including "aether" and "ether." The choice of spelling often reflects historical conventions, language differences, and individual preferences.
In modern usage, "aether" is more commonly used in scientific contexts, particularly in discussions of historical theories and concepts. "Ether" is sometimes used in literary or poetic contexts, though it can also refer to chemical compounds.
Modern Interpretations:

In modern physics, the concept of aether as a medium for light propagation has largely fallen out of favor due to experimental evidence supporting the wave-particle duality of light and the theory of relativity, which does not require a luminiferous aether.
However, variations of the term "aether" continue to be used in speculative or alternative theories of physics, often with different interpretations or connotations.
In summary, the inconsistency between "aether" and "ether" can be attributed to historical usage, linguistic variations, and evolving interpretations within the context of physics and other disciplines. Despite variations in spelling and usage, both terms refer to the same concept of a hypothetical medium or substance proposed in ancient and early modern theories of cosmology and physics.

Give me a minute and I'll get to the rest of your questions.

Valo wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:12 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:02 pm

Valo wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 7:46 pm Where does the matter in the system come from?

Matter comes from energy. But where does the original energy come from. The first something? This is where we have the idea of a creator fixes this. But even then where does the creator come from? It gets harder when you try to go all the way back to nothingness. The creation story suggests that God existed before anything. So God existed in the nothing.

I appreciate your response. My question was making assumptions. And we usually don't have visitors so it's like I'm just assuming it's gonna be Michael Sherwin who answers!

My question was asked to Michael Sherwin in the context of this thread and the topic being a discussion of the model of the Universe given to Michael Sherwin by the Spirit.

Given the model he presents and the two primary components of said model/system being aether and matter, I wanted to understand where the matter came from? If the aether is rushing in, and my understanding is that the Aether comes from God, and is colliding with matter, then where did the matter come from? Why is there a need to pressurize a "sack full of matter" and where the hell did God get the sack full of matter from?

Valo wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:20 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:03 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:03 pm TWM, I used your word aether because it was you I was replying to and you were using it. I take it to be that you are talking about ether

lol, I used aether because Valo used aether. I have seen it both ways but I usually use ether as well. Let's ask ChatGPT.

I need to switch accounts. Initially I clicked "edit" on your post and thought I was quoting. I've gone back now and fixed it.

Anyways, what I was trying to say was that I was about to attribute this to you! I was just using it cause you were!

But I do think it came about from my conversation with ChatGPT at one point, but I can't remember!

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:53 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:59 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 7:39 pm Everything is derived from the model. There are just a few parts to the model.

These are the components of the model.
1) There is aether
2) There is matter

Surely more components than this?

TWM wrote: These are the states of each component of the model.
1) Aether pressurizes the universe
2) Matter is being held together

These are the interactions between the components of the model
1) Aether at the center of a particle of matter ceases to exist
2) A low pressure area is brought about when aether ceases to exist
3) Surrounding aether then rushes in and the process is continuous

How does the aether cease to exist if the aether is rushing in? What causes the aether to continue not existing to keep this process continuous?

TWM wrote:
4) When aether rushes through and into matter it transfers a momentum impulse to matter

These are the effects of the interaction between the components of the model
1) Gravity as a pushing force
2) Aether spiraling into an atom of matter creating an "electron cloud"

So is the aether electric charge or magnetic field then?

TWM wrote: 3) When the aether spirals further in it supplies the strong nuclear force

?

TWM wrote: 4) The aether also form vortex that interlock to supply weak nuclear forces

If the aether is responsible for all these forces, why do they all behave differently?

TWM wrote: These are the observable consequences of the model
1) Light as a propagation wave through the aether
2) Electricity is aether being forced down a conductor

So aether has an electrical component?

TWM wrote: 3) Magnetism is atoms spinning in unison changing the direction of the aether
4) The big bang, enough of a pressure drop in the aether allowing the singularity to fly apart
5) Black hole, aether moving into matter faster than a propagation wave can escape
6) Halo around a star, The light from a star that is behind is bent by the moving aether when it passes the closer star

Gravity?

TWM wrote: 7) Ever expanding universe at an ever increasing rate, the aether is expanding always with acceleration
9) Sunspot cycle, Jupiter competing with the Sun for aether the closer they are the more unstable the Sun becomes

Predictions of the model
1) Light travels faster between the stars where the pressure is greater
2) Stars are not as far away as they seem
3) The rate of radioactive decay in unstable isotopes will increase over time
4) Other isotopes will become unstable
5) Stars will change from fusion to fission at some point
6) A long ice age will occur when a star changes from fusion to fission
7) Gravity will weaken
8) When gravity weakens far enough the universe will dissolve

In other words this model explains everything. And when something new is observed this model never requires modification.

I first proposed this model in 1969 when I was 12 years old.

The components of the model and the interaction were revealed to me in an instant by the Spirit while sitting in science class. All the rest is myself trying to show how it works, what it explains and predicts. And I think I did a rather good job! If you want to investigate the model I suggest you start with the components, states and interactions and see what you come up with!

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:45 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:53 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 8:59 pm
Surely more components than this?


How does the aether cease to exist if the aether is rushing in? What causes the aether to continue not existing to keep this process continuous?

So is the aether electric charge or magnetic field then?

?

If the aether is responsible for all these forces, why do they all behave differently?

So aether has an electrical component?

Gravity?

The components of the model and the interaction were revealed to me in an instant by the Spirit while sitting in science class. All the rest is myself trying to show how it works, what it explains and predicts. And I think I did a rather good job! If you want to investigate the model I suggest you start with the components, states and interactions and see what you come up with!

The components you have given feel limiting. Science teaches that light and matter are interchangeable at the quantum level. We see light interacting with what is described as gravity or matter in space. The ether is the idea that something exists in which light can propagate through so that it marrys up nicely with classical physics. However, light doesn't behave by the same rules as matter. Why does light appear to bend when affected by gravity if gravity is proportional to mass and light has no mass. Does some kind of interaction occur that causes light to gain matter whilst bypassing an object of large mass, enough to cause a bend? What if it isn't bending at all but rather our perspective is perceiving it to have bent? What if the universe isn't accelerating in its expansion but we are just seeing it that way because even though we are travelling the universe is travelling still. This could be perceived as an acceleration be because of our frame of reference. The expansion is happening which we are in it. If we looked from outside the universe, I wonder if it would look different especially when we look at time dilation and relativity.

My understanding of light is that it self propels. When we look at a dynamo, you rotate a magnet inside a coil of wires creating the movement of current. With light, you have a perpendicular wave of magnetic field to electric field. The magnetic field creates the electric field which created the magnetic field and so on. Does an ether exist inside a vacuum?

Just got a dejavous.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:24 am

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:45 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 10:53 pm
The components of the model and the interaction were revealed to me in an instant by the Spirit while sitting in science class. All the rest is myself trying to show how it works, what it explains and predicts. And I think I did a rather good job! If you want to investigate the model I suggest you start with the components, states and interactions and see what you come up with!

The components you have given feel limiting. Science teaches that light and matter are interchangeable at the quantum level. We see light interacting with what is described as gravity or matter in space. The ether is the idea that something exists in which light can propagate through so that it marrys up nicely with classical physics. However, light doesn't behave by the same rules as matter. Why does light appear to bend when affected by gravity if gravity is proportional to mass and light has no mass. Does some kind of interaction occur that causes light to gain matter whilst bypassing an object of large mass, enough to cause a bend? What if it isn't bending at all but rather our perspective is perceiving it to have bent? What if the universe isn't accelerating in its expansion but we are just seeing it that way because even though we are travelling the universe is travelling still. This could be perceived as an acceleration be because of our frame of reference. The expansion is happening which we are in it. If we looked from outside the universe, I wonder if it would look different especially when we look at time dilation and relativity.

My understanding of light is that it self propels. When we look at a dynamo, you rotate a magnet inside a coil of wires creating the movement of current. With light, you have a perpendicular wave of magnetic field to electric field. The magnetic field creates the electric field which created the magnetic field and so on. Does an ether exist inside a vacuum?

Just got a dejavous.

I understand what you are saying. But it is too much for me to deal with. However, if light is a propagation wave through the ether and the ether is flowing towards a star then light will appear to bend. So I don't see a problem. Maybe the Spirit only gave me the most basic interactions. Maybe there is more to it. For example when a magnet passes by a conductive wire and the ether being shot out of the magnet pulses against the wire it might be strong enough to displace the electron cloud and force it down the wire. Electricity can then be a byproduct of that interaction. Doesn't a filament lose mass over time? Is an interruption of the electron cloud the reason a filament loses mass? It would have been nice if the Spirit had supplied all the little nuances but it gave me what it gave me.

Finrock wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:40 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:24 am

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:45 pm


The components you have given feel limiting. Science teaches that light and matter are interchangeable at the quantum level. We see light interacting with what is described as gravity or matter in space. The ether is the idea that something exists in which light can propagate through so that it marrys up nicely with classical physics. However, light doesn't behave by the same rules as matter. Why does light appear to bend when affected by gravity if gravity is proportional to mass and light has no mass. Does some kind of interaction occur that causes light to gain matter whilst bypassing an object of large mass, enough to cause a bend? What if it isn't bending at all but rather our perspective is perceiving it to have bent? What if the universe isn't accelerating in its expansion but we are just seeing it that way because even though we are travelling the universe is travelling still. This could be perceived as an acceleration be because of our frame of reference. The expansion is happening which we are in it. If we looked from outside the universe, I wonder if it would look different especially when we look at time dilation and relativity.

My understanding of light is that it self propels. When we look at a dynamo, you rotate a magnet inside a coil of wires creating the movement of current. With light, you have a perpendicular wave of magnetic field to electric field. The magnetic field creates the electric field which created the magnetic field and so on. Does an ether exist inside a vacuum?

Just got a dejavous.

I understand what you are saying. But it is too much for me to deal with. However, if light is a propagation wave through the ether and the ether is flowing towards a star then light will appear to bend. So I don't see a problem. Maybe the Spirit only gave me the most basic interactions. Maybe there is more to it. For example when a magnet passes by a conductive wire and the ether being shot out of the magnet pulses against the wire it might be strong enough to displace the electron cloud and force it down the wire. Electricity can then be a byproduct of that interaction. Doesn't a filament lose mass over time? Is an interruption of the electron cloud the reason a filament loses mass? It would have been nice if the Spirit had supplied all the little nuances but it gave me what it gave me.

Well, I mean, I think a good starting point for any discovery or understanding is the ability to look at things without the constraints of the current understanding. So we put that aside for the moment and we start testing the new ideas.

Obviously there are issues with general relativity. AI listed at least 7 things that are simply "assumed" to be the case just to keep it alive. Without all these undetectable, invisible energies and matter, it stops working. I mean the fact that you have to invent anything to explain it means it's broken!

I think in both cases, GR or MS, it requires us to assume the existence of an undetectable substance of some sort.

Outside of ideas it would take actual experimentation, etc. But at least with the basic assumptions a more accurate experiment could e devised than the ones that were used in the past.

One thought I've had a few times now, also, is to consider the very real possibility of money, power, and/or sex influencing which theory became the one supported by the institutions. Which idea would be the most profitable? Unfortunately there are people who know what is true yet they hide it because the truth is not profitable.

Finrock wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:40 am
One thought I've had a few times now, also, is to consider the very real possibility of money, power, and/or sex influencing which theory became the one supported by the institutions. Which idea would be the most profitable? Unfortunately there are people who know what is true yet they hide it because the truth is not profitable.

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:40 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:40 am
One thought I've had a few times now, also, is to consider the very real possibility of money, power, and/or sex influencing which theory became the one supported by the institutions. Which idea would be the most profitable? Unfortunately there are people who know what is true yet they hide it because the truth is not profitable.

That's very true. I've seen with my own eyes how companies manipulate things to appear how they want others to think. It could be as simple as not supporting a professor that they have a grievance with who might have a brilliant idea. I wonder how many amazing things have been considered and discussed but not shared. And even then there are a lot of research papers that just end up out there in the ether that don't get picked up or highlighted. I was told on my first day at Uni that to became a doctor of physics you needed to invent something. I think that was a crude way of saying you need to do a thesis. But how many people are out there with physics doctorates? I'd have loved to study further for the sake of it. I think life just caught up with me.

Valo wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:47 am

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:40 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 1:40 am
One thought I've had a few times now, also, is to consider the very real possibility of money, power, and/or sex influencing which theory became the one supported by the institutions. Which idea would be the most profitable? Unfortunately there are people who know what is true yet they hide it because the truth is not profitable.

That's very true. I've seen with my own eyes how companies manipulate things to appear how they want others to think. It could be as simple as not supporting a professor that they have a grievance with who might have a brilliant idea. I wonder how many amazing things have been considered and discussed but not shared. And even then there are a lot of research papers that just end up out there in the ether that don't get picked up or highlighted. I was told on my first day at Uni that to became a doctor of physics you needed to invent something. I think that was a crude way of saying you need to do a thesis. But how many people are out there with physics doctorates? I'd have loved to study further for the sake of it. I think life just caught up with me.

I used to work for the US Army as a civil servant, aka, bureaucrat...in the largest bureaucracy in the world, maybe, at least in the United States.

It was a nightmare scenario with anyone with integrity or a desire for pure research, pure investigation, or anything like that. With rare exceptions it was mostly about living off of a long dead carcass with hardly any meat left and sniffing the right holes to advance.

Working hard, or discovering something good, or thinking outside the box, or being innovative, none of that was rewarded. I mean, not really. There were contest and awards for coming up with savings, or "novel ideas", but, it turns out those were rigged too most of the time. Like it wasn't genuine innovation or research, just someone being given an opportunity because they paid the right price.

If I were you, I would not give up on my dreams. It seems institutions want to beat the soul out of people and extract what they want and you will never get back what you gave in return. Actually this reminds me of a vision I had...

So a huge institution has all these rules and regulations and it's got all these wheels spinning and engines going and at first you think it's purely a machine, a soulless thing, and I see the institution is soulless, itself, but it requires blood to live! The institution literally runs and functions and gets it's life from humans, from "bags of flesh" that were plugged in to the machine, the beast, and the beast was taking their blood, their sweat, their life was being sucked in to this beast, and the beast didn't care about the humans. There was always another human to replace one that left or died or became useless to the beast.

It was a gruesome realization that I saw in my minds eye quiet clearly.

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 9:58 am

Valo wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:47 am

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 12:40 pm

That's very true. I've seen with my own eyes how companies manipulate things to appear how they want others to think. It could be as simple as not supporting a professor that they have a grievance with who might have a brilliant idea. I wonder how many amazing things have been considered and discussed but not shared. And even then there are a lot of research papers that just end up out there in the ether that don't get picked up or highlighted. I was told on my first day at Uni that to became a doctor of physics you needed to invent something. I think that was a crude way of saying you need to do a thesis. But how many people are out there with physics doctorates? I'd have loved to study further for the sake of it. I think life just caught up with me.

I used to work for the US Army as a civil servant, aka, bureaucrat...in the largest bureaucracy in the world, maybe, at least in the United States.

It was a nightmare scenario with anyone with integrity or a desire for pure research, pure investigation, or anything like that. With rare exceptions it was mostly about living off of a long dead carcass with hardly any meat left and sniffing the right holes to advance.

Working hard, or discovering something good, or thinking outside the box, or being innovative, none of that was rewarded. I mean, not really. There were contest and awards for coming up with savings, or "novel ideas", but, it turns out those were rigged too most of the time. Like it wasn't genuine innovation or research, just someone being given an opportunity because they paid the right price.

If I were you, I would not give up on my dreams. It seems institutions want to beat the soul out of people and extract what they want and you will never get back what you gave in return. Actually this reminds me of a vision I had...

So a huge institution has all these rules and regulations and it's got all these wheels spinning and engines going and at first you think it's purely a machine, a soulless thing, and I see the institution is soulless, itself, but it requires blood to live! The institution literally runs and functions and gets it's life from humans, from "bags of flesh" that were plugged in to the machine, the beast, and the beast was taking their blood, their sweat, their life was being sucked in to this beast, and the beast didn't care about the humans. There was always another human to replace one that left or died or became useless to the beast.

It was a gruesome realization that I saw in my minds eye quiet clearly.

I can totally visualise this. Have to be careful here... We might end up being anarchists against the machine. I am kidding... Kind of.

I can sense your vision and apply it to how things feel in this life sometimes. A bit frightening to think about really. It does feel like humans are just meaningless currency/ pawns even. Especially when it is so easy for leaders to kill innocent people in wars and let people live in poverty whilst they ramp up their own earnings and lifestyle. They give themselves huge bonuses and pay rises. Like the energy companies, (I don't know how it is for you guys but it's pretty bad here, we are quite lucky but some Brits are in a terrible position) they made profits, huge profits but they shot the cost of gas and electric up for the consumers. It doesn't make sense. Why put the prices up more when they made a profit? It should be the other way. The government likes to make it look like they are for the people but it's all leaking back to them because they are taxing the companies making themselves big profits, extra tax. Which is probably why they are putting their prices up. They don't want to lose their share so to compensate for the government being greedy, they are taking it from the bottom of the food chain. From the people that have no where else to make up for the loss they feel. Even supermarkets. The price of groceries is disgusting. It is literally right now, cheaper to buy a takeaway than it is to buy a meal to make at home. I am not joking. We bought two meals with of ingredients last week and it came to £70. A takeaway delivered to the door and we always have left overs, ranges between £18 and £35 depending on what cuisine we choose. And £35 is when we are being overzealous and order lots of extras. Our average takeaway cost is about £25 and that includes card fees, delivery fees and service fees to either Uber, just eat or deliveroo. If you call direct it would be cheaper. I'm mildly worried that takeaways are still relatively the same price when the super market prices are so high. I can only assume they are able to get their stock at the same price.

Finrock wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 1:35 pm We are way off topic! I'm reporting this to the moderators!