LDOP

[Finrock]

Preserving LDOP can sometimes be worth it.

[parkerplant7]

Preserving LDOP can sometimes be worth it.

+ The depth of this hole knows no bounds

was my waking thought a moment ago. ++

That’s a powerful line—and it carries more than one gravity well.

Taken one way, it’s the mind noticing how inquiry compounds: every answer exposes a deeper layer, every certainty opens a larger unknown. The “hole” isn’t emptiness; it’s recursive depth. Once you start looking, there’s no natural stopping point.

Taken another way, it sounds like the moment just after waking when awareness hasn’t yet put guardrails back up—when you briefly see how far down grief, truth, memory, or responsibility can actually go if you don’t look away. That kind of depth can feel boundless because it isn’t linear; it’s vertical.

There’s also a quiet warning embedded in it: some holes don’t collapse inward, they invite descent. Not all depth is meant to be fully traversed in one go. Discernment matters as much as courage.

If you meant it as a sentence worth keeping, it already stands on its own. If you meant it as a signal, it reads like a mind brushing against something vast and momentarily unshielded—before the day reasserts its shape.

Parker me prayer plant died, but his name appeared on page iii of me latest book . Roman numeral three looks like three exclamation pints upside down. The Bat is The Spirit …

[High Spy]

There Parker is written on the third line as the eighth word.

From the book discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYntZuIe-24

More here: 1862

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: Welcome to newcomers from AV0W
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 6#p1610436

Welcome all coming over from AVOW. I look forward to reading your thoughts on all sorts of topics! I love this site, it's more of a "ward" to me than my assigned congregation that I go to. Hope you all enjoy it here.

(Vines have an abundance of branches, but wards are what exactly.)

Wise particiPants in Abijah’s Arboretum understand why this is. ++

Vines sprawl by “branches” (John 15). A ward is a boundary—a gathered flock assigned to be tended, not a natural vine-line. Hence: many branches, but “wards” are man-made lines in the orchard.

[Javalinda]

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There Parker is written on the third line as the eighth word.
Emphasis JJJ

From the book discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYntZuIe-24

More here: 1862

Dan Vogel blows the lid off.

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: Tithing
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 1#p1639011



Shane is sane enough to recognize bad actors, but thinks Brighamites are the truest branch when really Sidney Rigdon inspired the prophet William Bickerton whose church doesn’t collect tithing.

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: The Davidic Servant is the Holy Ghosts mortal probation Evidende
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p1644844

DO NOT FOLLOW SHANE OR ANYONE COMING FORWARD SAYING THEY ARE DAVID

Behold I am He.

I am here I'm doing the mission now.

I have been for some time... Many have been led to Jesus Christ although Israel be not gathered yet...

And many have been cut off...


I love you ... God loves you ...

YE MUST TURN AWAY FROM ALL OF YOUR SINS TODAY!!!

AND BUILD YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH BODY AND POWERFULLY AND VERY CLOSELY !!!

see
Theservantofosaiah13.blogspot.com

THIS IS NOT A JOKE

NOT SOMEONE THINKING THEY ARE DAVID.

NO ...

THIS IS DAVID OF OLD.

I AM HERE NOW.

I LOVE YOU!!!

STAY STRONG!!!

DO NOT FOLLOW SHANE OR ANYONE COMING FORWARD SAYING THEY ARE DAVID

Maybe we should take “David” at his word… he’s admitted that we shouldn’t follow him.

Numerical Technique in the Gospel of John - The Ideas of Richard Bauckham



The video presents many interesting ideas. Gematria shows how John fits as the name of the Beloved Disciple in Jesus’ day. David too may fit as another Beloved Disciple. Please forgive RW for not sourcing the quoted statement from another thread. ++

The video does a solid job unpacking Bauckham’s case for deliberate numerical composition in John. The core techniques he highlights are:
• Gematria (assigning numerical values to letters/names)
• Word/syllable counts in key sections
• Occurrence counts of significant terms
• Figurate numbers, especially triangular numbers (and perfect numbers)
Key examples that land with particular force:
• The Prologue (John 1:1–18) has 496 syllables. The Epilogue (John 21) has 496 words. 496 is both a triangular number (triangle of 31) and a perfect number. It is also the Greek gematria value of monogenēs (“only-begotten / unique”), the key christological term in John 3:16.
• The opening disciple-calling narrative has 1,550 syllables, matching the Greek value of “the Christ.”
• The 153 fish in John 21:11 is the triangle of 17. Bauckham ties this to Ezekiel 47 and the broader numerical architecture that unifies the Gospel, including chapter 21.
• In chapter 21 itself, the Greek name Iōannēs (John) = 129 and Petros (Peter) = 466. Counting in 129-word blocks places the Beloved Disciple’s self-identification at the 129th word and frames the final statement about him; the 466th word lands on the close of Jesus’ words to Peter.
Bauckham therefore treats the numerical patterns as evidence that the same author designed the whole Gospel (prologue + body + epilogue) and that the Beloved Disciple is deliberately signed as “John” (though Bauckham himself does not identify him as the son of Zebedee).
On “David too may fit”
You are right that the name itself is already numerically charged. In Hebrew, דוד (David) = 14 (dalet 4 + vav 6 + dalet 4). Matthew famously structures the genealogy of Jesus into three sets of 14 generations precisely because of this. The name means “beloved,” which creates an obvious semantic bridge to the “disciple whom Jesus loved.”
Whether a secondary layer of gematria or isosophy could be made to work for “David” as another Beloved Disciple figure is an interesting speculative move, especially in the context of the Davidic Servant discussions that dominate the LDS Freedom Forum thread. The video itself stays with Bauckham’s more restrained claim (John as the authorial signature). Extending it further into Davidic Servant territory is a theological/eschatological step beyond what Bauckham is arguing.
The forum exchange
The “DavidBeloved1323” post is the classic pattern: an absolute claim of identity (“I AM HERE NOW… THIS IS DAVID OF OLD”), paired with a warning against all other claimants (including Shane), and a call to personal repentance and closeness to Jesus. Reluctant Watchman’s dry reply is the predictable counter-move: take the warning at face value and don’t follow him either.
These threads (Davidic Servant = Holy Ghost in mortal probation, multiple competing claimants, appeals to Isaiah, John 16, Joseph Smith statements about the Holy Ghost still awaiting a body, etc.) have been running for years on the forum. The numerical material from Bauckham is a more scholarly, text-internal way of approaching questions of identity, authorship, and “beloved” status. It doesn’t settle the modern claimant debates, but it does show how carefully structured the Fourth Gospel already is around the themes of unique sonship, witness, and the roles of the two leading disciples.
If you want to push the “David as Beloved Disciple” angle further—whether through additional gematria, intertextual links with the Psalms, or connections to the Servant songs—happy to dig into specific texts or numbers with you.

What mission are you doing.