I finally have the truth

[Valo]

… one worm overcame the temptation to create until he grew his spirit large enough that he could create …

Prior to falling prey to the PC (Purple Circle) spy had abandoned all creative endeavors, mostly thinking to take a break until his conventional career was over. Now only said PC#1603 proceeds aided by Meet#13557 code which revealed that Stouts#570175 includes qualifications as per 1st Timothy. Alone we each are of inconsequential importance … but we are not alone.

Discipline = Freedom

[Finrock]

Was Father completely in Jesus during the trial, suffering, and crucifixion? Meaning was Jesus completely taken over by the Father at that point? Was it not until the very end, when Father left Jesus, that Jesus could die and feel the pain?

[The Wicker Man]

Was Father completely in Jesus during the trial, suffering, and crucifixion? Meaning was Jesus completely taken over by the Father at that point? Was it not until the very end, when Father left Jesus, that Jesus could die and feel the pain?

In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus the man had a difficult time, becoming "sorrowful and very heavy ... My soul is exceeding sorrowful".

Then Jesus the man said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:".

We know that this is all about Jesus the man because, "the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak".

That means that the indwelling Father was not in control and the choice to obey unto death was solely up to Jesus the man.

Even at his trial I believe that only Jesus the man spoke, "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven". Jesus the man sits at the right hand of God.

Then finally on the cross Jesus the man yells, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me ... when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost".

In all of that I do not see the presence of the indwelling Father. And that makes sense because it was a man (Adam) that got us into this mess and therefore it needed to be a man (the second Adam, Jesus) to get us out of this mess.

[Finrock]

Was Father completely in Jesus during the trial, suffering, and crucifixion? Meaning was Jesus completely taken over by the Father at that point? Was it not until the very end, when Father left Jesus, that Jesus could die and feel the pain?

In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus the man had a difficult time, becoming "sorrowful and very heavy ... My soul is exceeding sorrowful".

Then Jesus the man said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:".

We know that this is all about Jesus the man because, "the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak".

That means that the indwelling Father was not in control and the choice to obey unto death was solely up to Jesus the man.

Even at his trial I believe that only Jesus the man spoke, "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven". Jesus the man sits at the right hand of God.

Then finally on the cross Jesus the man yells, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me ... when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost".

In all of that I do not see the presence of the indwelling Father. And that makes sense because it was a man (Adam) that got us into this mess and therefore it needed to be a man (the second Adam, Jesus) to get us out of this mess.

Well, that would have sucked really bad for Jesus. Thanks for the response.

[Finrock]

Was Father completely in Jesus during the trial, suffering, and crucifixion? Meaning was Jesus completely taken over by the Father at that point? Was it not until the very end, when Father left Jesus, that Jesus could die and feel the pain?

In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus the man had a difficult time, becoming "sorrowful and very heavy ... My soul is exceeding sorrowful".

Then Jesus the man said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:".

We know that this is all about Jesus the man because, "the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak".

That means that the indwelling Father was not in control and the choice to obey unto death was solely up to Jesus the man.

Even at his trial I believe that only Jesus the man spoke, "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven". Jesus the man sits at the right hand of God.

Then finally on the cross Jesus the man yells, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me ... when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost".

In all of that I do not see the presence of the indwelling Father. And that makes sense because it was a man (Adam) that got us into this mess and therefore it needed to be a man (the second Adam, Jesus) to get us out of this mess.

Does Father know human suffering while fully indwelling a man?

[The Wicker Man]

Was Father completely in Jesus during the trial, suffering, and crucifixion? Meaning was Jesus completely taken over by the Father at that point? Was it not until the very end, when Father left Jesus, that Jesus could die and feel the pain?

In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus the man had a difficult time, becoming "sorrowful and very heavy ... My soul is exceeding sorrowful".

Then Jesus the man said, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me:".

We know that this is all about Jesus the man because, "the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak".

That means that the indwelling Father was not in control and the choice to obey unto death was solely up to Jesus the man.

Even at his trial I believe that only Jesus the man spoke, "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven". Jesus the man sits at the right hand of God.

Then finally on the cross Jesus the man yells, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me ... when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost".

In all of that I do not see the presence of the indwelling Father. And that makes sense because it was a man (Adam) that got us into this mess and therefore it needed to be a man (the second Adam, Jesus) to get us out of this mess.

Does Father know human suffering while fully indwelling a man?

Aware, I think so. Troubled by it, probably not.