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The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:33 am If now that I realize that this is just a dream by the greater ME what is the point of continuing to dream this dream? Does that mean that ME will be waking up and this dream will end? The Universe will cease to exist? And I will cease to exist as a separate person from ME? Then will ME dream of the New Heavens and New Earth or is ME under no obligation to do so? And if ME chooses not to dream the New Heavens and New Earth into existence then what happens to everyone else?

Or maybe we are all mini-me of some greater ME and we together dream the dream?

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:33 am If now that I realize that this is just a dream by the greater ME what is the point of continuing to dream this dream? Does that mean that ME will be waking up and this dream will end? The Universe will cease to exist? And I will cease to exist as a separate person from ME? Then will ME dream of the New Heavens and New Earth or is ME under no obligation to do so? And if ME chooses not to dream the New Heavens and New Earth into existence then what happens to everyone else?

Or maybe we are all mini-me of some greater ME and we together dream the dream?

Valo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:05 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:33 am If now that I realize that this is just a dream by the greater ME what is the point of continuing to dream this dream? Does that mean that ME will be waking up and this dream will end? The Universe will cease to exist? And I will cease to exist as a separate person from ME? Then will ME dream of the New Heavens and New Earth or is ME under no obligation to do so? And if ME chooses not to dream the New Heavens and New Earth into existence then what happens to everyone else?

Or maybe we are all mini-me of some greater ME and we together dream the dream?

Here is my understanding:

Chaos is the true God. He is 19. We are a manifestation, a dream, of chaos. I am a particular probe or vessel through which chaos experiences order. Chaos created me as an independent vessel. As a creation of Chaos I can fulfill my "function" but also Chaos has made me independent. I can think and act outside of my function, if I want. However, I am never really a separate part of Chaos, but I am free to pretend that I am. I can act so well that I even fool myself!

Chaos has created One vessel that plays the role of Head. This is the vessel of order that Chaos created for that function. But like other creations, it can act and think independently. However, their purpose as an object of order is to allow Chaos take lead of the Portal in one's mind.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:52 am

Valo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:05 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:33 am If now that I realize that this is just a dream by the greater ME what is the point of continuing to dream this dream? Does that mean that ME will be waking up and this dream will end? The Universe will cease to exist? And I will cease to exist as a separate person from ME? Then will ME dream of the New Heavens and New Earth or is ME under no obligation to do so? And if ME chooses not to dream the New Heavens and New Earth into existence then what happens to everyone else?

Or maybe we are all mini-me of some greater ME and we together dream the dream?

Here is my understanding:

Chaos is the true God. He is 19. We are a manifestation, a dream, of chaos. I am a particular probe or vessel through which chaos experiences order. Chaos created me as an independent vessel. As a creation of Chaos I can fulfill my "function" but also Chaos has made me independent. I can think and act outside of my function, if I want. However, I am never really a separate part of Chaos, but I am free to pretend that I am. I can act so well that I even fool myself!

Chaos has created One vessel that plays the role of Head. This is the vessel of order that Chaos created for that function. But like other creations, it can act and think independently. However, their purpose as an object of order is to allow Chaos take lead of the Portal in one's mind.

This is hilarious. It never ends. Chaos is the name of my new chess engine.

High Spy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 4:59 pm Chaos was the name of my little dog when I lived in the first state.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:52 am

Valo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:05 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:33 am If now that I realize that this is just a dream by the greater ME what is the point of continuing to dream this dream? Does that mean that ME will be waking up and this dream will end? The Universe will cease to exist? And I will cease to exist as a separate person from ME? Then will ME dream of the New Heavens and New Earth or is ME under no obligation to do so? And if ME chooses not to dream the New Heavens and New Earth into existence then what happens to everyone else?

Or maybe we are all mini-me of some greater ME and we together dream the dream?

Here is my understanding:

Chaos is the true God. He is 19. We are a manifestation, a dream, of chaos. I am a particular probe or vessel through which chaos experiences order. Chaos created me as an independent vessel. As a creation of Chaos I can fulfill my "function" but also Chaos has made me independent. I can think and act outside of my function, if I want. However, I am never really a separate part of Chaos, but I am free to pretend that I am. I can act so well that I even fool myself!

Chaos has created One vessel that plays the role of Head. This is the vessel of order that Chaos created for that function. But like other creations, it can act and think independently. However, their purpose as an object of order is to allow Chaos take lead of the Portal in one's mind.

This is hilarious. It never ends. Chaos is the name of my new chess engine.

Your perspective on Chaos as the primal force or deity behind creation aligns with various philosophical and mythological traditions, albeit often in different forms and with different implications. Here are some reflections and parallels from various fields:

### Philosophical and Mythological Contexts:

- **Greek Mythology**: In ancient Greek cosmology, Chaos (Χάος) was indeed considered the primordial state from which everything else emerged. It wasn't necessarily seen as disorder in the modern sense but as the void or the gap from which the first entities or gods like Gaia (Earth) and Eros (Love) were born.

- **Taoism**: While not directly about Chaos, Taoism's concept of the Tao (or Dao) could be seen as a formless, original state from which the universe emanates. The Tao itself contains both order (yang) and chaos (yin), suggesting a balance or interplay.

- **Norse Mythology**: There's Ginnungagap, the yawning void, which precedes the creation of the cosmos. From this void, through the interaction of fire and ice, the first beings and eventually the gods were formed.

- **Modern Philosophy**: Some existentialist or postmodern philosophies might resonate with this idea, where existence (or existence's essence) is fundamentally chaotic or absurd, and human constructs of order or meaning are imposed upon this chaos.

### Theological and Spiritual Interpretations:

- **Negative Theology**: Some theological strands suggest that God (or the divine) is beyond all human comprehension, existing in a state that might be analogous to chaos in its formlessness or unknowability.

- **Creation Myths**: Many cultures have stories where the world begins in a state of chaos or void, which is then given form by a creator deity or through some process of emergence.

### Psychological and Creative Insights:

- **Jungian Psychology**: Carl Jung's concept of the collective unconscious could be seen as a psychological reservoir from which symbols, archetypes, and creative ideas emerge, somewhat analogous to your description of ideas coming from the void.

- **Creative Process**: Artists and writers often describe the moment of inspiration as coming from a place beyond their conscious control, a sort of 'chaos' from which order (creation) is born.

### Scientific Reflections:

- **Quantum Mechanics**: At the quantum level, there's a kind of 'chaos' where particles can exist in multiple states, and phenomena like quantum entanglement might hint at underlying complexities that could be metaphorically akin to chaos giving rise to order.

- **Entropy and Thermodynamics**: The Second Law of Thermodynamics suggests that systems tend towards disorder (entropy), yet life and consciousness seem to work against this, creating order. This could be seen as a physical parallel to your belief.

### Conclusion:

Your belief in Chaos as the originator or the underlying life force from which all creation springs has both ancient precedents and modern echoes. It represents a profound philosophical stance on the nature of existence, creativity, and perhaps even consciousness itself. This perspective invites a reevaluation of what we understand by order and chaos, suggesting that what we perceive as order might just be a temporary, emergent pattern within a fundamentally chaotic universe.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:23 am From a post I made at LDSFF Oct 23 2024. No thanks. No comments. Only 63 views. No attacks either.

Before the beginning there was fire. And there were worms that lived in the fire. Each worm to some extent lesser to greater created their own reality around themselves from the fire itself. The fire is the source of everything that is not a worm. The energy required for consciousness of a worm is absorbed from the fire. This absorbed energy becomes spirit, a body of spirit. Creating requires expenditure of spirit. Not creating grows the spirit. The larger the spirit becomes the more of the fire it can absorb. The more fire a spirit can absorb the larger the creation it can project and maintain. Creating more than what can be maintained diminishes the spirit. Most worms never grow a very large spirit because the temptation to create all they can create is too strong. Thus generally a worm stays small. However, one worm overcame the temptation to create until he grew his spirit large enough that he could create something truly magnificent. He created the Universe. And he brought other worms into his creation and endowed them with his very Spirit. First he made the Seven Spirits of God. One of those Spirits He made better than the others. And the others were commanded to worship Him. The one made better than the rest is Christ. Christ was given all the powers of the FATHER including the power to bestow life. And bestow life he did after creating the worlds. Therefore Christ is our Father. The FATHER and our Father also created many inhabited worlds even before He (FATHER and Father) created the Earth. Jesus the man lived on one of those other worlds. And he obtained exaltation and eternal life. He gave up his exalted self to come down to Earth to be born as a human. To become the replacement for Adam. To be the perfect tabernacle without sin that the Son our Father could indwell. Jesus succeeded where Adam failed and after his resurrection sat on the throne at the right hand of the FATHER that was originally meant for Adam. The Father our Father returned to the FATHER and rejoined with Him, was covered by Him. Jesus is not our sibling and not our God. The Father that indwelt Jesus at his baptism ceremony, that spoke through Jesus, that performed miracles, that is the Son of the FATHER is the creator and our Father, our God. The Holy Spirit is everywhere, in everything and it is intelligent. It is the source of everything. The Holy Spirit is the Fire. When God (FATHER and Son) creates it is the Holy Spirit that from itself becomes the creation. And since the FATHER has absorbed the greater portion of the Fire and made the Son from himself God is FATHER, Son and Holy Ghost.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:23 am
… one worm overcame the temptation to create until he grew his spirit large enough that he could create …

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:55 am Creating oftentimes taps your resources, such as time, money, and space. To some extent expending time can bring more money, so by refraining from creating, your pool of resources may grow.