Slog Bog

Valo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:21 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:32 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 3:56 pm
He has various roles at various times. First he comes as a teacher. Later when he returns he

"18Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."

Then on the new earth he has a role. I don't have the impetus to write a book. Besides, one already exist.

What is the book called?

Would you say this is the DSs first or second visit?

The Holy Bible.

https://youtu.be/vmxatvfhdl8?si=_DsLc9pw9Mx5Bce0

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 3:26 am

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:32 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 3:56 pm
He has various roles at various times. First he comes as a teacher. Later when he returns he

"18Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not."

Then on the new earth he has a role. I don't have the impetus to write a book. Besides, one already exist.

What is the book called?

Would you say this is the DSs first or second visit?

There are lots of books. The Bible, Avraham Gileadi's books, etc.

I would say neither first or second.

Revelation 4:8
And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Enoch walked all the days of his life with the LORD and he was caught up. Elijah had one portion of the Spirit and he was caught up. Jesus was caught up after his resurrection. The man child which my study shows that the man child is the DS will be caught up. Each Spirit/man combo was the DS at that time. There is no telling how many times the DS has been here.

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:46 am

Valo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:21 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:32 pm

What is the book called?

Would you say this is the DSs first or second visit?

The Holy Bible.

https://youtu.be/vmxatvfhdl8?si=_DsLc9pw9Mx5Bce0

Haha, it crossed my mind but I thought surely not.

Valo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:44 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:46 am

Valo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 5:21 pm

The Holy Bible.

https://youtu.be/vmxatvfhdl8?si=_DsLc9pw9Mx5Bce0

Haha, it crossed my mind but I thought surely not.

Curious why did you think surely not?

Valo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:00 pm There is me and then there is the Spirit of the Father in side of me. The portion of the Spirit of the Father I have may not be as great as the portion of the Spirit someone else has. Someone might have a greater portion. Then there is one who is the Captain. The Davidic Servant is the Captain of all the smaller portions of the Spirit. The Head of the Body of Christ. There is but One Head or Captain.

But just like I am me and I have a portion of the Spirit, the same is true with the DS. They are a human as other humans are and are separate from the Father or the Spirit. The human Father has chosen as the vessel He will indwell as the Head or to be the Captain does not have to go along. Father can choose another vessel if needed.

We choose to work in a symbiotic relationship, as Michael Sherwin puts it, with the Father. As we choose this then we begin to develop, through the portion of the Father loaned to us, we can produce out own fruit. If we nourish the Spirit and do what the Spirit says we obey Father-God commandments and the Spirit of the Father is enlarged in us.

It's a role and it's an individual. The Father has worked with/indwelt many humans over the Eons of time to bring to pass His purposes and in each case it's a combination of man striving with the Father.

If we are willing to strive with the Father here in this Hell, no matter how small a portion we have, if we strive to obey that portion, then Father will magnify what we have beyond measure. He will strive with us in Eternity.

This is how I have come to understand this question.

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:49 pm

Valo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:44 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:46 am

Haha, it crossed my mind but I thought surely not.

Curious why did you think surely not?

It was too simple and answer.
I also doubt myself a lot.
And I also don't recall learning anything about the davidic servant prior to high spy talking about it.

Valo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:00 pm There is me and then there is the Spirit of the Father in side of me. The portion of the Spirit of the Father I have may not be as great as the portion of the Spirit someone else has. Someone might have a greater portion. Then there is one who is the Captain. The Davidic Servant is the Captain of all the smaller portions of the Spirit. The Head of the Body of Christ. There is but One Head or Captain.

But just like I am me and I have a portion of the Spirit, the same is true with the DS. They are a human as other humans are and are separate from the Father or the Spirit. The human Father has chosen as the vessel He will indwell as the Head or to be the Captain does not have to go along. Father can choose another vessel if needed.

We choose to work in a symbiotic relationship, as Michael Sherwin puts it, with the Father. As we choose this then we begin to develop, through the portion of the Father loaned to us, we can produce out own fruit. If we nourish the Spirit and do what the Spirit says we obey Father-God commandments and the Spirit of the Father is enlarged in us.

It's a role and it's an individual. The Father has worked with/indwelt many humans over the Eons of time to bring to pass His purposes and in each case it's a combination of man striving with the Father.

If we are willing to strive with the Father here in this Hell, no matter how small a portion we have, if we strive to obey that portion, then Father will magnify what we have beyond measure. He will strive with us in Eternity.

This is how I have come to understand this question.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:21 pm

Valo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:00 pm There is me and then there is the Spirit of the Father in side of me. The portion of the Spirit of the Father I have may not be as great as the portion of the Spirit someone else has. Someone might have a greater portion. Then there is one who is the Captain. The Davidic Servant is the Captain of all the smaller portions of the Spirit. The Head of the Body of Christ. There is but One Head or Captain.

But just like I am me and I have a portion of the Spirit, the same is true with the DS. They are a human as other humans are and are separate from the Father or the Spirit. The human Father has chosen as the vessel He will indwell as the Head or to be the Captain does not have to go along. Father can choose another vessel if needed.

We choose to work in a symbiotic relationship, as Michael Sherwin puts it, with the Father. As we choose this then we begin to develop, through the portion of the Father loaned to us, we can produce out own fruit. If we nourish the Spirit and do what the Spirit says we obey Father-God commandments and the Spirit of the Father is enlarged in us.

It's a role and it's an individual. The Father has worked with/indwelt many humans over the Eons of time to bring to pass His purposes and in each case it's a combination of man striving with the Father.

If we are willing to strive with the Father here in this Hell, no matter how small a portion we have, if we strive to obey that portion, then Father will magnify what we have beyond measure. He will strive with us in Eternity.

This is how I have come to understand this question.

I think that you said it better than I did!

Just one tiny little thing of note. John 17 describes people on this earth that are not like everyone else. They already had immortality and are of the Father in heaven. That means that their life did not originate with the Christ Spirit specifically but from the Father in heaven way in the past. They are kept from evil because they are given the earnest of the Spirit. Only one of them is not given the earnest of the Spirit and thus not kept from the evil. In the parables he is the Prodigal Son.

11And he said, A certain man had two sons:

God the Father in heaven has two Sons.

12And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

God's "living" is his very Spirit.

13And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

When the younger Son was born on earth he wasted his Spirit loan by living sinfully. He was not kept from the evil. He was not given the earnest of the the Spirit. He is the man of sin. The Son of perdition.

14And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

Remember the Bible teaches that there will be a famine of wanting to hear the word of the LORD but it will be nowhere to be found.

15And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

Sort of like joining a forum and teaching swine the word yet they would not hear.

16And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

Kind of like how the people of the forum generally have plenty but the Prodigal Son barely has enough to get by.

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.

26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.

27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.

28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.

29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Of course this is a parable, a simile in human words for human understanding of heavenly things. And it is a bit hidden because people do not have the eyes to see. But your eyes have started to open and you now see things that others can't or wont. Can you see that this is talking of the DS?

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:21 pm
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

Sort of like joining a forum and teaching swine the word yet they would not hear.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

Kind of like how the people of the forum generally have plenty but the Prodigal Son barely has enough to get by.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:20 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:21 pm
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

Sort of like joining a forum and teaching swine the word yet they would not hear.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

Kind of like how the people of the forum generally have plenty but the Prodigal Son barely has enough to get by.

Kinda like using logic and mathematical probability induces a stupor in those unwilling to receive the truth, such as conversations with Taki on the FF. Suddenly he didn’t have time for the debate when things weren’t going his way.

During moments of humility or weakness the greatest miracles are received. On March 8, 1980 I was employed as a janitor in the great and spacious COB (Church Office Building). On 3/8 in 88, 89, 90 I was very lonely and struggled to survive. Again in 2002 my new bride and I were regaining our feet after a trying period that included unemployment. In Kotzebue I had just gotten over a case of Covid. And on March 18 and 19 of this year, long travel brought on exhaustion and that’s when I spied the TUE-3857 plate. Yesterday I met Alison from Norfolk and George from WV who goes by his middle name Matt. A posted pic of said plate shows that it is for the great state of Virginia.

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:42 pm Did seeing that plate when you did give you some unexpected strength to press on?

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:40 pm

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:48 pm

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:25 pm
Wow, that's quite intense. I'm curious about the cat?

Didn't quite follow some of what you said but I get the jist. I'll check out the references at the end at some point, I half expect to not be able to sleep tonight because I've not done anything today.

It was nice to see some discussion by you that wasn't about the signs.

Said cat, I don’t recall he ever really had a name or where he came from, but I would call him KB (Kitty-Buddy) and do my best to make his life an ever living hell. KB sprayed stuff on the Ouija board and on BD (Blue Demon) which was my little B310 that Cheryl and I purchased from the Dover speedway in Delaware after we rode our bikes there. I was serving in the UTANG and going to uni with said guard buddy who was also a EE major. My little car started vapor locking and it would take me several minutes to get it started again. Pouring water on the engine helped, but most times cranking the engine would kill the battery and I’d have to push start it. Several mechanics couldn’t find anything wrong until Firestone measured the fuel pump pressure. It was 1 PSI, but should have been 13 or more. Eventually the engine seized and another buddy replaced it, but in the meantime I only had my bike until Cindy hooked me up with her used unmarked police car. She, without noticing it, had six kids and one grandson whose names spelled Christ using the first letter of each name, except Levi was backwards. Anyways, I left her car on Francis peak and rode my bike down the canyon and back to SLC, when BD was running again. BD blew his head gasket in Nothing Arizona and my dad rescued me from Surprise AZ and bought me Billy (S10 Blazer). Billy use to park next to another apartment building that was Brother Brighams barn by the look of it.

Signs were everywhere, once I began believing there was a God. My everyday existence is actually pretty boring, but reflecting back and thinking about what lays ahead keeps things interesting.

Sounds like an adventure. I love driving lessons but can't pass the test. I get severely anxious on the test. But after every lesson I have blue lips. Probably from holding my breath. Cars just seem so expensive and crazy expensive to run and insure. My mum visited and her car just broke out of nowhere and it kind of put me off because I don't like that level of unpredictability.

Philo Sofee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:32 am

I Have Questions wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:29 pm
https://deborahblum.com/books/

Peterson is advocating that people take Ouija boards seriously? Seriously?

Well...... not by themselves, no, of course not. One also needs the support of seer stones and magical parchments and talismans to accomplish the goal. Perhaps also a dagger with sacred magical inscriptions on it could help when the Ouija board gets tired of doing all the work.

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:49 pm
It was too simple and answer.
I also doubt myself a lot.
And I also don't recall learning anything about the davidic servant prior to high spy talking about it.

https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p2856371

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:25 pm
Wow, that's quite intense. I'm curious about the cat?

Didn't quite follow some of what you said but I get the jist. I'll check out the references at the end at some point, I half expect to not be able to sleep tonight because I've not done anything today.

It was nice to see some discussion by you that wasn't about the signs.

blitzinstripes wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:49 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:32 pm

gkearney wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 4:07 pm The question I am thinking of is whether this effort to purge the term Mormon will have any staying power once RMN is dead, which given his advanced age will likely be soon. Are the rest of the twelve fully committed to this effort or are they just going along with Nelson pet project? Time will tell I guess but I suspect that once the primary person pushing this is no longer around it will fade away and everyone will just return to using the word Mormon again.

It takes many, many years to implement such a change in the public mind. As an example in 1879 Joseph Smith III started an effort to purge the term Mormon as it applied the RLDS Church and its members both within that faith and by the public. The process has taken over 100 years to take hold and this in a population that felt the term was offensive. Do we really have the collective will to make this change stick and to keep this effort going for the next century? Somehow I doubt it.

And the RLDS changed their church's name in an effort to avoid having to continually explain who they were not.
We can't do that. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is synonymous with "Mormon". I think we would need at least three, maybe four generations to pass before we made any meaningful headway.

The main problem is that the name of the church is such a mouthful. A new name would be helpful, but the RLDS already bagged arguably the best, given all best the alternatives are taken.

Maybe it would be best to just drop the LDS part and call it the Church of Jesus Christ. (CJC). Or the Body of Christ. Or the Disciples of Christ... Assuming it is what it claims to be......

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:20 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:21 pm
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

Sort of like joining a forum and teaching swine the word yet they would not hear.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

Kind of like how the people of the forum generally have plenty but the Prodigal Son barely has enough to get by.

Kinda like using logic and mathematical probability induces a stupor in those unwilling to receive the truth, such as conversations with Taki on the FF. Suddenly he didn’t have time for the debate when things weren’t going his way.

During moments of humility or weakness the greatest miracles are received. On March 8, 1980 I was employed as a janitor in the great and spacious COB (Church Office Building). On 3/8 in 88, 89, 90 I was very lonely and struggled to survive. Again in 2002 my new bride and I were regaining our feet after a trying period that included unemployment. In Kotzebue I had just gotten over a case of Covid. And on March 18 and 19 of this year, long travel brought on exhaustion and that’s when I spied the TUE-3857 plate. Yesterday I met Alison from Norfolk and George from WV who goes by his middle name Matt. A posted pic of said plate shows that it is for the great state of Virginia.

CQEDIT toAdd search.php?keywords=3857

Justapiratewasher wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:56 pm

Valo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:00 pm There is me and then there is the Spirit of the Father in side of me. The portion of the Spirit of the Father I have may not be as great as the portion of the Spirit someone else has. Someone might have a greater portion. Then there is one who is the Captain. The Davidic Servant is the Captain of all the smaller portions of the Spirit. The Head of the Body of Christ. There is but One Head or Captain.

But just like I am me and I have a portion of the Spirit, the same is true with the DS. They are a human as other humans are and are separate from the Father or the Spirit. The human Father has chosen as the vessel He will indwell as the Head or to be the Captain does not have to go along. Father can choose another vessel if needed.

We choose to work in a symbiotic relationship, as Michael Sherwin puts it, with the Father. As we choose this then we begin to develop, through the portion of the Father loaned to us, we can produce out own fruit. If we nourish the Spirit and do what the Spirit says we obey Father-God commandments and the Spirit of the Father is enlarged in us.

It's a role and it's an individual. The Father has worked with/indwelt many humans over the Eons of time to bring to pass His purposes and in each case it's a combination of man striving with the Father.

If we are willing to strive with the Father here in this Hell, no matter how small a portion we have, if we strive to obey that portion, then Father will magnify what we have beyond measure. He will strive with us in Eternity.

This is how I have come to understand this question.

Got you. Thank you for explaining.