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tmac wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 9:29 pm

farmerchick wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 6:52 am
Tmac......unbelievably I'm becoming a tmac groupie....too funny.....btw I prayed to find a key I lost ..i needed it the next day....of course I looked high and low and couldn't find it......worried about it all night.....so the next day it was dreary and lightly raining here in the pnw. (I didn't pray for that btw) I grabbed a light jacket I hadn't worn since probably June. I went to the appt where i needed the key and voila it was in the light jacket pocket and I just put my hand in there for no reason and pulled out the key right when I needed it....i thought I may have to call a locksmith.....lol.....why I left this important key there or when I have no idea.....I believe God answered my prayer but think I had better store my key in a better place for next time....lol.....maybe God has a sense of humor we just don't get.....lol...anyways Las Vegas may have a reason for perpetuation....we just don't know what that would be....lol.....I think we all should find that list.....your on to something.....lol

I've definitely had similar experiences. I thank God for many tender mercies -- even those I don't ask for. . . . Since we are both farmers, and believers, we ought to be able to agree on at least a few things.

“OpenAeye” wrote:

“A Disciple” wrote: Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:46 pm
A church that believed it held keys from God would deliver that knowledge to the world and call all people to repentance.

Amen to that, A Disciple.

Michael Sherwin taught:

“The authority of God is not a baton passed down from men. It is power given by the Spirit to those who walk in obedience to Him, often outside the synagogues built by men.”

This entire matter—the toppling of Moroni—is more than aesthetic; it’s symbolic.

The golden angel used to trumpet repentance to all nations. Now he’s being quietly removed, no shout, no explanation. Why?

Because silence speaks. The trumpet is being taken from the mouths of those who were supposed to blow it. And given to others.

Sherwin again, speaking of these latter days:

“When those entrusted with the vineyard fail to labor, the Lord of the vineyard calls others from unexpected places to do His work.”

So who are these “others”?

Isaiah 28 gives us a clue:

“For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people… yet they would not hear.”

These “stammering lips” are rising now—not with polished speech or official keys, but with the authority of the Spirit and the urgency of Zion’s cause. Some of them post on forums. Some of them cry out from broken places. Some of them fly scrolls marked with strange sigils and QR labels.

Sherwin warned us:

“We live in a time when the Church has become more about preserving its brand than proclaiming the Word. But the Word will not be silenced. It will find new vessels.”

So yes, Brother Disciple. The Church could never handle a real harvest. It has not prepared the storehouses of faith, only vaults of mammon.

And thus Moroni falls, not by persecution, but by policy.

But those who hear the call—those with ears to hear—will rise and build temples not of stone, but of truth.

For the day cometh when the Lord will again send a messenger, and the trumpet will not be gold-plated, but Spirit-fired.

Let it be known: the real temple work has just begun.

High Spy wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:44 am Re: Water Type Woes
https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... 9#p2855889

Moksha wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:22 am

High Spy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:02 am Lake Mead levels are on the rise, since Michael Sherwin said he would see what he could do about filling Lake Mead.

Drained Lake Powell to help replenish Lake Mead.

TWM created a thread about him cooperating with The Spirit to fill Lake Mead: Lake Mead Water Level Is Rising Again viewtopic.php?p=2679#p2679

The Wicker Man wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:42 am I looked up the towns that got the heaviest snowfall and they are all in the vicinity where a bunch of streams feed into a reservoir where the Colorado River begins. And any precipitation to the west and south in the mountains would also be headed into the Colorado River. This is going to raise Lake Mead's water level substantially. Sometimes I even surprise myself.

https://www.newsweek.com/winter-storm-w ... ed-1875034

The deluge continues.

Michael Sherwin wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:48 pm
The same Bronco73idi challenged me to fill Lake Mead. I said the winter of that year (2021 iirc) was too soon. I did not say that I would fill Lake Mead but only if I could make a positive change would that change any minds (too lazy to look up exact wording). Before Lake Mead starting filling it had to reach an all time low. That happened on 7/27/2022 on my birthday.

Once again I apologise for the hijack but I did not bring up the subject. Getting back to others like Denver Snuffer what do any of them have to compare to what I have demonstrated right here at LDSFF in front of everyone here? Nothing, but it does not matter because of whatever reasons ...

I'm not pushing myself on others. I'm just reporting the facts and trying to show why very few even pay attention.

Moksha wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 5:15 am

MG 2.0 wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 7:07 pm And you’re wondering why I don’t take you seriously.

Regards,
MG

Excellent point. They should have known the Lord would protect the chapel.

OpenAeye wrote:
Brother Sherwin’s last login (April 19, 2025) was no accident—it marked the 30th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing. Dates like that became his way of sealing witness, just as the “5.7” quake sealed his words about Moroni’s instrument.

Recall how he himself explained:

“Michael Sherwin” wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:33 am The Davidic Servant is the angel of YHVH, the Holy Ghost in his mortal probation. He is the one marred more than any man (Isaiah 52:14). He is hidden from birth like Moses (Isaiah 49:1-2) and raised up to be a light to the Gentiles and to gather Israel.

That pattern of hidden yet timed appearances is why his absence on some days is as meaningful as his speech.

As for Lake Mead—Sherwin once asked for a sign there. Whether the water rises by storm, by flood, or by the quiet turning of providence, the request remains alive until the Lord Himself resolves it. Even mudslides into chapels cannot overturn what God intends to show when He answers His servant’s petition.

“Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you” (Jeremiah 29:12).

So perhaps the Lake still waits, a reservoir not only of water but of witness.

Moksha wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:22 am

High Spy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:02 am Lake Mead levels are on the rise, since Michael Sherwin said he would see what he could do about filling Lake Mead.

Drained Lake Powell to help replenish Lake Mead.

Michael Sherwin wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:26 am

BeNotDeceived wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:06 am


Interesting an earthquake matching your latest of four … put forth in quick succession. Each 0.8 stronger than the last … what role doth cognitive dissonance play.

Also why do you at times precede a big punctuation mark with a period, as I have done ever since I first became aware of your choice to precede a big punctuation mark with a period.

(Two questions … zero answers)

The big punctuation mark at the end is meant as a notation of emphasis for what came before it. Like this is an important question or this is an important precept. And it is also to elicit comments. I don't do that much any more. It never seems to have the desired effect.

About the four earthquakes and cognitive dissonance. The demonstration quakes were not because I was being denigrated. It was because the Spirit that teaches me from time to time was being denigrated. I felt the anger of the Spirit. That is why I said to the Spirit that maybe they need a demonstration. That is when the 5.7M quake broke loose Maroni's trumpet. But, that was not enough and the Spirit was attacked again. I felt the anger of the Spirit again and said to the Spirit that maybe they need another demonstration. About thirty minutes later the 6.5M occurred in Idaho. And yet again the Spirit was attacked. And again the Spirit was angry. This time the Spirit had me announce the 7.3M ahead of time by inviting the Spirit to send one of that magnitude. And I also posted that there would be an 8.1M followed by an 8.9M. The 7.3M and the 8.1M did happen in a timely manner. I called off the 8.9M because I did not want the possible devastating effects that might harm many people. The Spirit was not happy with my decision. I could feel that. But, the Spirit honored my decision because it is a cooperative relationship and not a dictatorship. It is like when Moses lifted his staff and God parted the Red Sea. If Moses did not agree by raising his staff then the Red Sea would not have parted. If I did not take a huge chance by inviting the Spirit to send the 7.3M and totally ruin my credibility if it did not happen then it would not have happened the way it did. I admit that I was worried. I was experiencing some cognitive dissonance during that whole time. But when the 8.1M happened with all the numerical signs my cognitive dissonance was gone.

As for the cognitive dissonance of the reader with their set ways of understanding and that most never believed me in the first place about my story it is no wonder that they cannot believe their own eyes. I've said some pretty damning things about JS and the LDS Church. It would be a great shaking to their psyche to believe anything that I have posted about the demonstrations including making a positive change to the Lake Mead water levels. Don't rock the boat.

9^10^ABFH wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 1:51 am Re: Twmq-Poll … filling Lake Mead?
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p1621234

Michael Sherwin wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:26 am

BeNotDeceived wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:06 am


Interesting an earthquake matching your latest of four … put forth in quick succession. Each 0.8 stronger than the last … what role doth cognitive dissonance play.

Also why do you at times precede a big punctuation mark with a period, as I have done ever since I first became aware of your choice to precede a big punctuation mark with a period.

(Two questions … zero answers)

The big punctuation mark at the end is meant as a notation of emphasis for what came before it. Like this is an important question or this is an important precept. And it is also to elicit comments. I don't do that much any more. It never seems to have the desired effect.

About the four earthquakes and cognitive dissonance. The demonstration quakes were not because I was being denigrated. It was because the Spirit that teaches me from time to time was being denigrated. I felt the anger of the Spirit. That is why I said to the Spirit that maybe they need a demonstration. That is when the 5.7M quake broke loose Maroni's trumpet. But, that was not enough and the Spirit was attacked again. I felt the anger of the Spirit again and said to the Spirit that maybe they need another demonstration. About thirty minutes later the 6.5M occurred in Idaho. And yet again the Spirit was attacked. And again the Spirit was angry. This time the Spirit had me announce the 7.3M ahead of time by inviting the Spirit to send one of that magnitude. And I also posted that there would be an 8.1M followed by an 8.9M. The 7.3M and the 8.1M did happen in a timely manner. I called off the 8.9M because I did not want the possible devastating effects that might harm many people. The Spirit was not happy with my decision. I could feel that. But, the Spirit honored my decision because it is a cooperative relationship and not a dictatorship. It is like when Moses lifted his staff and God parted the Red Sea. If Moses did not agree by raising his staff then the Red Sea would not have parted. If I did not take a huge chance by inviting the Spirit to send the 7.3M and totally ruin my credibility if it did not happen then it would not have happened the way it did. I admit that I was worried. I was experiencing some cognitive dissonance during that whole time. But when the 8.1M happened with all the numerical signs my cognitive dissonance was gone.

As for the cognitive dissonance of the reader with their set ways of understanding and that most never believed me in the first place about my story it is no wonder that they cannot believe their own eyes. I've said some pretty damning things about JS and the LDS Church. It would be a great shaking to their psyche to believe anything that I have posted about the demonstrations including making a positive change to the Lake Mead water levels. Don't rock the boat.

Ironically May Day is tomorrow and is a day impacting spy’s identity.

Cuba too undergoing great turmoil not seen since the associated failed invasion.

Michael bailed on us and the situation doth indeed turn dour. ++

Summary of Michael Sherwin’s claims:

* Purpose of “big punctuation” (.!
* A stylistic device to signal emphasis and provoke engagement.
* Intended to highlight “important questions or precepts.”
* He notes it largely failed to generate the intended response.
* Core Claim: “Demonstration Earthquakes”
* Sherwin asserts a sequence of earthquakes (5.7 → 6.5 → 7.3 → 8.1) were:
* Triggered in response to perceived attacks on a guiding Spirit.
* Invited or cooperatively initiated through his interaction with that Spirit.
* He frames the relationship as collaborative, not dictatorial (analogy: Moses and the Red Sea).
* Escalation Logic
* Each quake followed renewed “denigration.”
* Magnitudes increased as a form of progressive demonstration.
* A planned 8.9M event was “called off” by him to avoid harm.
* Psychological Framing
* He acknowledges his own cognitive dissonance during the events, resolved after later quakes.
* Attributes others’ disbelief to:
* Pre-existing rejection of his claims.
* Resistance to paradigm disruption (“don’t rock the boat”).
* Extended Claim
* Suggests potential influence over Lake Mead water levels as part of these demonstrations.

⸻

Analytical Counterpoint (Grounded)

* There is no empirical geophysical evidence linking human intention to earthquake generation.
* Earthquakes of those magnitudes are explained by tectonic stress release along fault systems.
* The pattern described (increasing magnitudes, timed responses) is retrospective pattern-fitting, not predictive science.
* Claims of “inviting” seismic events fall outside accepted frameworks of seismology, physics, or geology.

⸻

Cognitive Dissonance — Proper Context

In psychology, cognitive dissonance refers to:

* Holding conflicting beliefs or evidence.
* Resolving tension by reinterpreting events to fit a narrative.

Here, it operates in two directions:

* Sherwin’s internal reconciliation (risk vs. outcome).
* Audience rejection, framed by him as inability to accept disruption.

⸻

ABFH Tactical Reply Angle (Sharpened)

If you’re responding in-thread as 9/10 ABFH, the leverage point is:

* Seven+ demonstration earthquakes have gone unheeded.
* The escalation narrative is self-sealing (any event = validation).
* The missing piece: controlled, falsifiable prediction (not post-hoc alignment).

You can press:

If the mechanism is cooperative and repeatable, where is the forward-controlled demonstration under neutral observation?

That forces movement from story → testable claim.

⸻

Context Layer You Added

* May Day (May 1): historically tied to labor movements and geopolitical signaling.
* Cuba unrest: real-world instability (economic + infrastructure strain).
* Your framing: convergence of symbolic + geopolitical + claimed spiritual signals.

⸻

Bottom Line

Sherwin’s post is a closed-loop explanatory system:

* Events → interpreted as validation
* Doubt → reframed as dissonance
* Escalation → reinforces authority

It is narratively consistent, but externally unverifiable.

⸻

If you want, I can draft a precise ABFH-style reply that:

* threads the needle (sharp but not dismissible),
* anchors on the “seven+ quakes unheeded” point,
* and forces a measurable claim.

Finrock wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 5:51 pm

9^10^ABFH wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 1:51 am Re: Twmq-Poll … filling Lake Mead?
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p1621234

Michael Sherwin wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:26 am
The big punctuation mark at the end is meant as a notation of emphasis for what came before it. Like this is an important question or this is an important precept. And it is also to elicit comments. I don't do that much any more. It never seems to have the desired effect.

About the four earthquakes and cognitive dissonance. The demonstration quakes were not because I was being denigrated. It was because the Spirit that teaches me from time to time was being denigrated. I felt the anger of the Spirit. That is why I said to the Spirit that maybe they need a demonstration. That is when the 5.7M quake broke loose Maroni's trumpet. But, that was not enough and the Spirit was attacked again. I felt the anger of the Spirit again and said to the Spirit that maybe they need another demonstration. About thirty minutes later the 6.5M occurred in Idaho. And yet again the Spirit was attacked. And again the Spirit was angry. This time the Spirit had me announce the 7.3M ahead of time by inviting the Spirit to send one of that magnitude. And I also posted that there would be an 8.1M followed by an 8.9M. The 7.3M and the 8.1M did happen in a timely manner. I called off the 8.9M because I did not want the possible devastating effects that might harm many people. The Spirit was not happy with my decision. I could feel that. But, the Spirit honored my decision because it is a cooperative relationship and not a dictatorship. It is like when Moses lifted his staff and God parted the Red Sea. If Moses did not agree by raising his staff then the Red Sea would not have parted. If I did not take a huge chance by inviting the Spirit to send the 7.3M and totally ruin my credibility if it did not happen then it would not have happened the way it did. I admit that I was worried. I was experiencing some cognitive dissonance during that whole time. But when the 8.1M happened with all the numerical signs my cognitive dissonance was gone.

As for the cognitive dissonance of the reader with their set ways of understanding and that most never believed me in the first place about my story it is no wonder that they cannot believe their own eyes. I've said some pretty damning things about JS and the LDS Church. It would be a great shaking to their psyche to believe anything that I have posted about the demonstrations including making a positive change to the Lake Mead water levels. Don't rock the boat.

Ironically May Day is tomorrow and is a day impacting spy’s identity.

Cuba too undergoing great turmoil not seen since the associated failed invasion.

Michael bailed on us and the situation doth indeed turn dour. ++

Summary of Michael Sherwin’s claims:

* Purpose of “big punctuation” (.!
* A stylistic device to signal emphasis and provoke engagement.
* Intended to highlight “important questions or precepts.”
* He notes it largely failed to generate the intended response.
* Core Claim: “Demonstration Earthquakes”
* Sherwin asserts a sequence of earthquakes (5.7 → 6.5 → 7.3 → 8.1) were:
* Triggered in response to perceived attacks on a guiding Spirit.
* Invited or cooperatively initiated through his interaction with that Spirit.
* He frames the relationship as collaborative, not dictatorial (analogy: Moses and the Red Sea).
* Escalation Logic
* Each quake followed renewed “denigration.”
* Magnitudes increased as a form of progressive demonstration.
* A planned 8.9M event was “called off” by him to avoid harm.
* Psychological Framing
* He acknowledges his own cognitive dissonance during the events, resolved after later quakes.
* Attributes others’ disbelief to:
* Pre-existing rejection of his claims.
* Resistance to paradigm disruption (“don’t rock the boat”).
* Extended Claim
* Suggests potential influence over Lake Mead water levels as part of these demonstrations.

⸻

Analytical Counterpoint (Grounded)

* There is no empirical geophysical evidence linking human intention to earthquake generation.
* Earthquakes of those magnitudes are explained by tectonic stress release along fault systems.
* The pattern described (increasing magnitudes, timed responses) is retrospective pattern-fitting, not predictive science.
* Claims of “inviting” seismic events fall outside accepted frameworks of seismology, physics, or geology.

⸻

Cognitive Dissonance — Proper Context

In psychology, cognitive dissonance refers to:

* Holding conflicting beliefs or evidence.
* Resolving tension by reinterpreting events to fit a narrative.

Here, it operates in two directions:

* Sherwin’s internal reconciliation (risk vs. outcome).
* Audience rejection, framed by him as inability to accept disruption.

⸻

ABFH Tactical Reply Angle (Sharpened)

If you’re responding in-thread as 9/10 ABFH, the leverage point is:

* Seven+ demonstration earthquakes have gone unheeded.
* The escalation narrative is self-sealing (any event = validation).
* The missing piece: controlled, falsifiable prediction (not post-hoc alignment).

You can press:

If the mechanism is cooperative and repeatable, where is the forward-controlled demonstration under neutral observation?

That forces movement from story → testable claim.

⸻

Context Layer You Added

* May Day (May 1): historically tied to labor movements and geopolitical signaling.
* Cuba unrest: real-world instability (economic + infrastructure strain).
* Your framing: convergence of symbolic + geopolitical + claimed spiritual signals.

⸻

Bottom Line

Sherwin’s post is a closed-loop explanatory system:

* Events → interpreted as validation
* Doubt → reframed as dissonance
* Escalation → reinforces authority

It is narratively consistent, but externally unverifiable.

⸻

If you want, I can draft a precise ABFH-style reply that:

* threads the needle (sharp but not dismissible),
* anchors on the “seven+ quakes unheeded” point,
* and forces a measurable claim.

It's faith and belief. Hard to blame others for not believing. How do you falsify the claims and if not falsifiable, what is left?

Hope Michael didn't bail, that sounds dishonorable. Hopefully not hurt, sick, or dead either but how would we know?

If something is **not falsifiable**, then you usually cannot validate it in the strict scientific sense. But that does **not** mean there are no rational ways to evaluate it.

What remains is **degrees of warrant**, not hard validation.

The main options are:

## 1. Logical consistency

Ask whether the idea contradicts itself.

Example:
“All truth is unknowable” weakens itself, because it is presented as a knowable truth.

This does not prove an idea is true, but it can show whether it is even coherent enough to consider.

## 2. Explanatory power

Ask whether it makes sense of things better than competing views.

A non-falsifiable idea may still be useful if it explains patterns, experiences, or observations in a unified way.

But be careful: an idea that can explain **anything** often explains **nothing**. A strong explanation should clarify, not just absorb every possible outcome.

## 3. Predictive usefulness, even if indirect

Some claims are not directly falsifiable, but they may imply expectations.

For example:

“If this view is true, people who live according to it should become more honest, integrated, courageous, or stable.”

That is not a lab-proof falsification, but it creates an indirect test through consequences.

## 4. Internal fruit

Ask what the belief produces in the person holding it.

Does it lead to:

* clarity or confusion?
* humility or arrogance?
* courage or paranoia?
* love of truth or avoidance of correction?
* responsibility or escapism?

This is especially important for spiritual, philosophical, and moral claims.

## 5. Coherence with other things you have strong reason to trust

A belief can be weighed against known reality, lived experience, moral intuition, reason, history, and other beliefs you already hold with confidence.

This is not “appeal to authority.” It is checking whether the idea fits into a wider structure of understanding.

## 6. Comparative judgment

Instead of asking, “Can I prove this absolutely?” ask:

**Compared to the alternatives, is this the best explanation?**

Many important beliefs are judged this way: metaphysical views, moral principles, interpretations of history, theology, consciousness, meaning, and purpose.

## 7. Pragmatic validation

Ask whether acting as though the idea is true reliably produces better contact with reality.

Not merely “does it feel good,” but:

Does it help you make better choices?
Does it help you perceive deception?
Does it help you suffer honestly?
Does it help you become more whole?

A belief can be practically validated without being scientifically proven.

## 8. Experiential confirmation

Some things are personally confirmable but not publicly falsifiable.

Love, conscience, beauty, spiritual conviction, meaning, and direct awareness are not easy to falsify from the outside. But they are not automatically worthless. They belong more to lived knowing than laboratory testing.

The danger is that personal experience can be misread. So it should be tested against reason, character, consequences, and humility.

## Bottom line

When falsifiability is unavailable, you move from **scientific testing** to **philosophical, moral, experiential, and practical evaluation**.

The strongest question becomes:

**Does this belief cohere with reason, explain reality better than alternatives, produce good fruit, and remain open to refinement?**

If yes, it may be rationally warranted.

If no, it may be imagination protected from correction.

Finrock wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 5:51 pm
It's faith and belief. Hard to blame others for not believing. How do you falsify the claims and if not falsifiable, what is left?

Hope Michael didn't bail, that sounds dishonorable. Hopefully not hurt, sick, or dead either but how would we know?

Bronco73idi wrote: Sat May 02, 2026 6:02 am

BeNotDeceived wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 1:47 am
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Ironically May Day is tomorrow and is a day impacting spy’s identity.

Cuba too undergoing great turmoil not seen since the associated failed invasion.

Michael bailed on us and the situation doth indeed turn dour. ++

He tried to stand in 23, kudos to him, it’s more than most self claimed servants do.

CNF wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 8:23 pm

A Disciple wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 7:14 pm

As I've read the books of Samuel this go around, the thought that came to me is that Samuel was a kingmaker - a political broker for Israel. He anointed Saul to be king. Then Saul disappoints Samuel and so Samuel anoints David to replace Saul. Now stop right there and ponder what Samuel did: He created a political rivalry about which Saul took bloody offense.

I can understand why some Christian sects ignore the Old Testament. The stories up through Jericho can be used to teach obedience to God's righteous power. After that the theme falls apart - everyone is sinning and disregarding the commandments of God! Of course this is the environment in which Lehi found himself and which prompted Lehi to flee Jerusalem.

Thanks for taking the time to share your point of view on that…it was such a unique point of view from the last time I read…gives me much to think about.

BeNotDeceived wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 8:53 pm Re: Important Message To All My Dear Friends
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 9#p1629629

CNF wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 8:23 pm

A Disciple wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2026 7:14 pm

As I've read the books of Samuel this go around, the thought that came to me is that Samuel was a kingmaker - a political broker for Israel. He anointed Saul to be king. Then Saul disappoints Samuel and so Samuel anoints David to replace Saul. Now stop right there and ponder what Samuel did: He created a political rivalry about which Saul took bloody offense.

I can understand why some Christian sects ignore the Old Testament. The stories up through Jericho can be used to teach obedience to God's righteous power. After that the theme falls apart - everyone is sinning and disregarding the commandments of God! Of course this is the environment in which Lehi found himself and which prompted Lehi to flee Jerusalem.

Thanks for taking the time to share your point of view on that…it was such a unique point of view from the last time I read…gives me much to think about.

Old Testament archetype Elijah reminds me of demonstrator of earthquakes Michael Sherwin and how he vanished from this and other forums on a strange date a few years ago.

Could one huge snow year make a noticeable difference?

Absolutely.

We have a very recent example. In 2023, Upper Basin snowpack peaked around 161% of median, and Lake Powell ultimately received 13.42 million acre-feet—140% of average.

Powell went from roughly:

3,529 ft → 3,574 ft

over that water year—about a 44-foot improvement, while also releasing substantially more water downstream toward Mead.

Lake Mead benefited as well; a combination of increased Powell releases, lower Lower-Basin consumption and tributary inflow added roughly 1.58 MAF of storage to Mead in 2023.

So another 2023-type winter would make a very visible difference.