LDS Church Name Changes - the untold story of the condemnation of the early saints

[BeNotDeceived]

Christ, but not Confucius could be a conforming tuple, or the new name of the game.

This is the untold story of the condemnation of the early saints. Here is an attempt to paint a clearer picture of the name change from “The Church of Christ” to “The Church of the Latter Day Saints” in 1834 and why it really happened.

Previous articles from historians and even on the church website do not do the narrative justice. In this video are documents and evidences of an intriguing narrative you probably have never heard before.

The video discusses how the name of the Church has undergone many changes.

The March 8 timing pattern spelled out C H R I S T, and that's really all there is to go on. The Church of the March 8 Miracle was the best I could come up with when I decided to add a donate button, and had to fill in the blank for the IRS. My strange experiences on March 8 date back to 1980, and still there are more questions than there are answers. Michael came here hoping for honest discussion, and that quest continues as we seek our way forward.

All are invited to hopefully engage in fruitful discussion.

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: false D&C sections
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If we’re tossing out D&C entirely.. there’s no point to being Mormon. All we are left with is the Book of Mormon, which does not reveal anything uniquely Mormon , only testifies that Jesus is the Christ. You’re now free to join any church really.

The Book of Mormon does talk about Christ's church. One must decide if it's established now, or not yet, or if it's like most Christians believe, that every believer in Jesus is part of his church.

The Book of Mormon provides a clear description of how church should work and the essence is:

(1) All things done in Christ's name
(2) All things done according to Scripture and the Spirit of the Lord
(3) Nothing is done for personal profit or self-promotion
(4) The focus of worship is Jesus Christ and the Sacrament is integral to that worship
(5) There is baptism by immersion, the gift of the Holy Ghost and Repentance of Sin
(6) There is priesthood authority that oversees the church and provides an example of righteousness for the members and strives to remove iniquity from the church.

Many Christian churches try most of these items. They stumble especially on #3 and on #6. Not so much that the churches lack priesthood authority (what authority actually is deserves its own topic) but that the leadership embraces Priestcraft and fails to remove iniquity from the church and fails to establish a standard of righteousness. As this occurs, church leaders stop teaching Scripture and substitute their personal views for the will of the Lord.

It should impress us that the lay LDS church was very successful in implementing and practicing these essential attributes. I truly believe an important factor in the post World War II growth of the church was that it was doing church "right". But as the church has consolidated organizational authority to the corporate head, the LDS church leadership has increasingly struggled with #3 and with #6. And now we have an LDS church leadership that considers the Sunday talks it gives as equivalent to Scripture, and so #2 is now shaky.

Your thoughts strangely address my recent train of thought as I explore Trail Life USA.

[BeNotDeceived]

LDS Corp is like the Goose that laid the Golden Egg …
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=77095

But also crapped a s-ton of turds.

Trouble is they try to polish said turds and pass them off as eggs. Please name your favorite and least favorite outputs of said legal entity.

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: LDS Corp is like the Goose that laid the Golden Egg …
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 7#p1535647

When Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith he asked which Church should he join. He was told none of them as they were all an abomination. Do you think the priesthood was in any of those churches.

Prolly not.

The restoration was necessary, but was brought about as per Dan Vogel’s Pious Fraud theory.

[High Spy]

Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?
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This WAS exactly my reasoning, but fortunately got past that to discover the truth that

Re: LDS Corp is like the Goose that laid the Golden Egg … s-ton.

Apropos, but not duck duck go. ^Whale

[High Spy]

Re: What Happened To The Church?_1
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Dick Bauman explores and articulates the first attempt to more fully establish the church of Christ beginning 22 September 1827, and the subsequent apostasy commencing 6 April 1830. This demonstrates God's initiative to set His hand again the first time.

The failure of Joseph Smith to repent and humble himself after being granted the supernal privilege of translating and publishing the Book of Mormon is detailed in these episodes. As a result the world must wait for the own due time of the Lord to set His hand AGAIN the SECOND time to bring forth His work to the world.

The video is approximately 1 hour, and introduces in summary fashion the results of a concentrated study of the Book of Mormon over 17 years.



After watching please share your thoughts?

[Javalinda]

Re: What Happened To The Church?_4: Original Revelations 2
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There's a lot of good material in those 37 minutes.

The original revelation calls Oliver and David to call 12 disciples like the BoM has disciples, which was later changed to 12 apostles which the BoM did not have.

They were commanded to rely on the BoM for building up the church, but later in the D&C they added "upon the foundation of" so it would read build up my church upon the foundation of my gospel and my Rock, justifying all the gospel additions that are not in the BoM.

In a June 1829 revelation the Lord tells Oliver that "thou hast been baptized by the hand of my servant Joseph Smith, Jr., according to that which I have commanded, he hath fulfilled the thing which I commanded him", which negates the John the Baptist narrative.

The John the Baptist narrative that was added much later states that he appeared as Joseph and Oliver were praying about baptism, but this revelation given the very next month explains what really happened. The Lord commanded them to baptize each other, and they did. There is no John the Baptist in the revelation, nor would it fit.

The deception continues to crumble.

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: What Happened To The Church?_4: Original Revelations 2
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#p1539895

The John the Baptist narrative that was added much later states that he appeared as Joseph and Oliver were praying about baptism, but this revelation given the very next month explains what really happened. The Lord commanded them to baptize each other, and they did. There is no John the Baptist in the revelation, nor would it fit.

Agreed! The John the Baptist scenario is the only major flaw (IMO) that is in the presentations by Dick Bauman.. Even he was blinded by Smith. However, I feel his dedication and earnest research has been unmatched.

“The First Vision” and “keys” are FABLES created by Smith and his successors.

Roger that.

[High Spy]

Re: BYU: full capitulation on SAHM
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https://universe.byu.edu/campus/byu-fac ... -education

It saddens me that it isn't even held up as an ideal anymore --- or taught/acknowledged that it used to be a priority in the Church.

This isn't full capitulation. "BYU faculty address parents' guilt in balancing family, education." SAHM is still very much in the mix, otherwise where would the guilt be coming from?

This is a soft drink dispenser at BYU-Idaho. This is what full capitulation looks like:

Hot drinks served ice cold.

The Word of Wisdom is of dubious origin, but it’s understanding is doubly screwed up as per

https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... s#p2779288

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: Sons of Michael, He Approaches! Adam God Doctrine??
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 1#p1541521

The purpose of the BoM is to restore the plain and precious things that were altered in the Bible.

What official writings back this statement.

[High Spy]

Re: Poster Ideas for Peaceful PROTEST at April General Conference!!
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 7#p1545367

Frogmo comes closest for me.

Fully Recognize One Gift Mormons only recognize Brother Smith’s one gift.

And renounce a multitude of fabrications.

[High Spy]

Re: Basic Unit of Society
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I have wondered lately what basic premises of the corporate church should be personally reviewed, prayed about and ask for confirming spirit.

I think all of them… cause just when you think you’re secure in believing the doctrines we like and are close to our heart… it turns out to be other…

FROGMos gotz the right idea of Freely Recognizing One Gift …

Anything beyond that is circumspect.

— What do you call a group of wizards or marshmallows.

[High Spy]

Your thoughts strangely address my recent train of thought as I explore Trail Life USA.

Dozens fall by the wayside but a select few shall shine through …
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=77578

FLCC fell by the wayside but GPCC looks to be signing through.

On the brink of Cryst day, what Acronyms follow that pattern for you.

[BeNotDeceived]

The Church isn't One Church, It's Two
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That is one I still scratch my head over -- the idea that RMN and current leadership are completely off the rails, but they still have keys and authority.

I get it that in the ancient House of Israel, and even to this day, there is a birthright priesthood -- the Aaronic, Levitical Priesthood, but that is not what is being claimed here. It is a head-scratcher.

The real reason to shorten hours to lesson uncomfortable discussions about pious fraud stuff and things, as per Dan Vogel and Joseph in the Gap guy.