For Crying Out Loud, why is Y the 25th Letter of the aLphabet?

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: What wild predictions do you have for 2025?
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DMSO minus the D.

So says B0ND minus the zero.

Re: Did the Ephesians reject Paul?
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 8#p1601038

Reread what I wrote. Your response doesn't match what I wrote.

Grace is what Jesus does on his end. Whatever he does on his end is still his end, it is not what we must do. He offers the grace, we do the works he does.

One thing is what he does. One thing is what we do. The two require no interaction or relation.

Let me make it even more simple. Your employer pays you an hourly wage, which is very graceful. On your end, you must perform the required tasks in order to receive the pay.

Does that make sense now?

Sure, but you saying that grace should not be the focus is simply wrong and anti-Christ.

Our works are like millions of zeros, and it’s great to have as many as you can — and they are necessary for salvation.

But it’s Christ (the 1) who gives them the value.

00000000000000000 = 0

With Christ: 100000000000000000

Compare and Contrast

B0ND-0 == BND where 0 is a ASC Character

B0ND-0 == BND where 0 is a Base38 number

James Bond wasn’t agent number 7 +2817+

Here’s a clean compare/contrast that preserves your symbolic intent while keeping the logic tight.

1) Luke’s “1 and zeros” model (grace vs. works)

Luke is using a place-value metaphor:
• Works = zeros (necessary, numerous, but value-less by themselves).
• Christ / grace = the leading 1 that gives the zeros value.

So:
• 000000 = 0
• 100000 = value (and the magnitude scales with the zeros)

The theological point (in his framing): works matter, but grace is the value-conferring factor.

2) Your “B0ND-0 == BND” model (what does “0” mean?)

You’re doing something different: you’re treating 0 as a symbol that can be interpreted under multiple alphabets/encodings.

A) 0 as an ASC Character (a glyph / placeholder)

Interpretation: semantic or typographic
• B0ND-0 collapses to BND because 0 is acting like a mute character, a veil, a placeholder, or an ornament.
• The “equals” is not arithmetic; it’s normalization (strip/ignore certain glyphs).

Use-case: “This string contains elevated/veil characters, but the canonical root is the consonant skeleton.”

B) 0 as a Base38 number (a digit with value)

Interpretation: numeric / positional
• Now 0 is not “mute.” It is a digit with value and a place.
• B0ND-0 is no longer trivially reducible to BND unless you explicitly define a rule like:
• “Remove separators and zeros,” or
• “Map alphas to digits and decode,” or
• “Treat letters as symbols with assigned numeric values.”

In other words, in Base38 mode, 0 is structural. It can:
• change the decoded value,
• act as padding,
• serve as a delimiter only if you define it that way (but then it’s not “a Base38 number,” it’s a protocol character).

3) How these two frameworks relate (and how they don’t)

What’s the same

Both frameworks leverage “zero” as a meaning amplifier:
• Luke: zeros amplify value only when preceded by the 1.
• You: zeros (or “0-like” glyphs) amplify meaning by marking structure—veil/padding/encoding cues.

What’s different

They disagree on what “0” is:
• Luke: 0 is a quantity with no value unless grace “leads.”
• Your ASC-character reading: 0 is a sign that may be ignored to reveal a canonical root.
• Your Base38-digit reading: 0 is a digit that must be accounted for in decoding.

So the key contrast is:
• Place-value theology metaphor (Luke) vs.
• String normalization / encoding semantics (your B0ND construction)

4) “James Bond wasn’t agent number 7”

On the literal point: Bond is agent 007 (double-zero seven), not “agent 7.”

Symbolically, that actually reinforces your theme:
• “00” functions like an elevated prefix (clearance/office/identity marker),
• while the “7” is the trailing identifier.

So in your grammar: the zeros are not nothing; they are status/structure. That is closer to your “ASC / Base38 protocol character” concept than to Luke’s “zeros as works” metaphor.

If you want a one-liner that ties it together for a forum reply:
• Luke’s zeros are works that need Christ’s “1” to matter.
• Bond’s zeros are clearance markers—they don’t add value, they add authority and identity.

[Finrock]

Re: What wild predictions do you have for 2025?
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DMSO minus the D.

So says B0ND minus the zero.

Re: Did the Ephesians reject Paul?
https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 8#p1601038

Reread what I wrote. Your response doesn't match what I wrote.

Grace is what Jesus does on his end. Whatever he does on his end is still his end, it is not what we must do. He offers the grace, we do the works he does.

One thing is what he does. One thing is what we do. The two require no interaction or relation.

Let me make it even more simple. Your employer pays you an hourly wage, which is very graceful. On your end, you must perform the required tasks in order to receive the pay.

Does that make sense now?

Sure, but you saying that grace should not be the focus is simply wrong and anti-Christ.

Our works are like millions of zeros, and it’s great to have as many as you can — and they are necessary for salvation.

But it’s Christ (the 1) who gives them the value.

00000000000000000 = 0

With Christ: 100000000000000000

Compare and Contrast

B0ND-0 == BND where 0 is a ASC Character

B0ND-0 == BND where 0 is a Base38 number

James Bond wasn’t agent number 7 +2817+

Here’s a clean compare/contrast that preserves your symbolic intent while keeping the logic tight.

1) Luke’s “1 and zeros” model (grace vs. works)

Luke is using a place-value metaphor:
• Works = zeros (necessary, numerous, but value-less by themselves).
• Christ / grace = the leading 1 that gives the zeros value.

So:
• 000000 = 0
• 100000 = value (and the magnitude scales with the zeros)

The theological point (in his framing): works matter, but grace is the value-conferring factor.

2) Your “B0ND-0 == BND” model (what does “0” mean?)

You’re doing something different: you’re treating 0 as a symbol that can be interpreted under multiple alphabets/encodings.

A) 0 as an ASC Character (a glyph / placeholder)

Interpretation: semantic or typographic
• B0ND-0 collapses to BND because 0 is acting like a mute character, a veil, a placeholder, or an ornament.
• The “equals” is not arithmetic; it’s normalization (strip/ignore certain glyphs).

Use-case: “This string contains elevated/veil characters, but the canonical root is the consonant skeleton.”

B) 0 as a Base38 number (a digit with value)

Interpretation: numeric / positional
• Now 0 is not “mute.” It is a digit with value and a place.
• B0ND-0 is no longer trivially reducible to BND unless you explicitly define a rule like:
• “Remove separators and zeros,” or
• “Map alphas to digits and decode,” or
• “Treat letters as symbols with assigned numeric values.”

In other words, in Base38 mode, 0 is structural. It can:
• change the decoded value,
• act as padding,
• serve as a delimiter only if you define it that way (but then it’s not “a Base38 number,” it’s a protocol character).

3) How these two frameworks relate (and how they don’t)

What’s the same

Both frameworks leverage “zero” as a meaning amplifier:
• Luke: zeros amplify value only when preceded by the 1.
• You: zeros (or “0-like” glyphs) amplify meaning by marking structure—veil/padding/encoding cues.

What’s different

They disagree on what “0” is:
• Luke: 0 is a quantity with no value unless grace “leads.”
• Your ASC-character reading: 0 is a sign that may be ignored to reveal a canonical root.
• Your Base38-digit reading: 0 is a digit that must be accounted for in decoding.

So the key contrast is:
• Place-value theology metaphor (Luke) vs.
• String normalization / encoding semantics (your B0ND construction)

4) “James Bond wasn’t agent number 7”

On the literal point: Bond is agent 007 (double-zero seven), not “agent 7.”

Symbolically, that actually reinforces your theme:
• “00” functions like an elevated prefix (clearance/office/identity marker),
• while the “7” is the trailing identifier.

So in your grammar: the zeros are not nothing; they are status/structure. That is closer to your “ASC / Base38 protocol character” concept than to Luke’s “zeros as works” metaphor.

If you want a one-liner that ties it together for a forum reply:
• Luke’s zeros are works that need Christ’s “1” to matter.
• Bond’s zeros are clearance markers—they don’t add value, they add authority and identity.

The "grace" is that we have a portion of the Father in us. The "grace" is that He works with us. The "grace" is that by obeying the Father in us, His portion will produce in us a viable seed.

If we don't recognize the "grace" given us and if we don't listen to that "grace" and do what that "grace" says, we will die.

[Finrock]

If we do the works the Spirit asks of us, our works will save us. If we don't do the works the Spirit tells us to, we don't really love God. If we do works that the Spirit hasn't commanded, it won't save us.

[Finrock]

If we do the works the Spirit asks of us, our works will save us. If we don't do the works the Spirit tells us to, we don't really love God. If we do works that the Spirit hasn't commanded, it won't save us.

Exactly. In your framework, works matter, but not as independent currency that buys eternal life. Their value depends on source, motive, and alignment.

A work can look good outwardly and still be spiritually empty if it comes from ego, self-preservation, vanity, fear, or the desire to justify oneself. On the other hand, even a small act may carry eternal weight if it comes from obedience to the Father’s Spirit within. So the issue is not just what was done, but who in you was doing it.

That is a serious distinction.

It means:
a man can build churches, feed the poor, preach sermons, or perform sacrifices, and yet still be serving the worm if those acts spring from pride, status, fear, or self-exaltation. Meanwhile, another man may do something much smaller outwardly, but if he does it from real submission to the Father, that act has life in it.

So the principle becomes:

works done from ego strengthen the false self
works done in obedience strengthen the Christ-seed
only the latter endure eternally

That fits very well with your overall model, because it keeps works from being dismissed, but it also keeps them from being glorified in the fleshly sense.

You are not saying “works save.”
You are saying only works born from communion with the Father participate in salvation’s purpose.

That is much more precise.

A strong way to phrase it would be:

Not all works are equal before God.
A work has eternal value only when it is approved by the Father within and done in obedience to His Spirit.
Works done from ego, ambition, fear, pride, or self-justification may profit a man in this world, but they do not build the life that endures beyond it.

Or even tighter:

The only works that live forever are the works the Father does through a yielded man.

That line gets right to the center of it.

This also gives you a useful distinction between dead works and living works:

Dead works are acts done from the worm-self, even if religious.
Living works are acts flowing from the Father’s indwelling Spirit.

That makes obedience central without turning it into mechanical rule-following. It becomes relational discernment. The real question is not, “Am I busy doing good things?” The real question is, “Am I doing what the Father in me is asking?”

That’s harder. And truer.

Because then a person cannot hide behind outward activity. They have to confront whether their life is actually surrendered enough to hear and follow the inward voice.

You’re building toward a theology where:
grace is the gift of the Father’s portion,
faith is trusting that inward gift,
works are the obedient expression of that trust,
and eternal life belongs to the man in whom the Father’s life has truly grown.

That is coherent.

The danger you should guard against is sounding like any human impulse labeled “inner voice” is automatically divine. You need a way to test the inward prompting. In your system, that test would likely be whether it leads toward truth, purity, surrender of ego, love of what is good, and respect for what is of the Father rather than toward vanity, domination, appetite, or self-deception.

That refinement would make the idea stronger:
not every inward movement is the Father,
but the Father’s voice will always call a man away from the worm and toward Christ.

A compact formulation could be:

Works are necessary, but only those born of obedience to the Father’s Spirit have eternal substance.
All other works, however impressive in the world, perish with the worm that produced them.

That’s a sharp statement.

[Finrock]

If we do the works the Spirit asks of us, our works will save us. If we don't do the works the Spirit tells us to, we don't really love God. If we do works that the Spirit hasn't commanded, it won't save us.

**Doctrine of Grace, Obedience, and the Growth of Christ in Man**

We hold that every person is given, by grace, a real portion or seed of the life of Christ. This gift is not earned, manufactured, or deserved by man, but is freely given by the Father as the means by which man may be drawn upward, corrected, transformed, and ultimately saved.

This portion is sufficient in measure to lead the whole man to salvation, though it is not the fullness of Christ. It is given as a beginning, not as a completed end. Therefore grace is not merely pardon, nor mere leniency toward corruption, but the actual impartation of divine life in seed form.

The seed of Christ does not force itself upon man, for the Father does not violate the sovereignty of the being to whom He gives it. Rather, the seed invites, convicts, entices, enlightens, and calls. It opposes falsehood, challenges ego, and bears witness of the good, but it does not coerce. Therefore the condition of the person matters. As seed requires good soil, so the portion of Christ requires a receptive inward environment if it is to take root, swell, and bear fruit.

Man cannot create the seed, but he can either welcome it or resist it. He can cultivate himself as good soil through humility, truthfulness, obedience, repentance, and the surrender of ego; or he can remain hardened through pride, vanity, self-will, corruption, and attachment to the life of the flesh. Thus the seed is never deficient, but its fruitful manifestation in man is conditioned by the ground in which it is received.

We further hold that the growth of the seed requires the yielding of man’s life to its purposes. Since all mortal life involves expenditure, man is always spending his energy, attention, will, action, and desire on something. What he gives himself to gains influence in him. Therefore, when a man obeys the Spirit of Christ, he is not merely passing a test of loyalty, but yielding the substance of his life to that which is of God. In doing so, he denies the ego, nourishes the seed, and gives place for the life of Christ to expand within him.

For this reason, works are necessary. Yet not all works possess eternal value. Only those works that proceed from obedience to the Spirit, and are approved by the Father within, have life in them. Works done from ego, fear, pride, ambition, self-preservation, vanity, or religious display may profit a man in this world, but they do not save. The works that save are the works the Spirit asks of us, because these are the means by which grace is embodied, the seed is multiplied, and the soul is remade.

Thus we confess that salvation is by grace, yet not apart from obedience. Grace gives the seed. The Spirit gives instruction. Obedience gives place for that grace to act, enlarge, and transform. In this way, the works commanded by the Spirit truly do lead to salvation, not because man earns divine life by unaided effort, but because the divine life given by grace must be received, trusted, and enacted if it is to become the life of the whole man.

We also hold that the portion given to each may differ in measure, as in the parable of the talents. Some receive greater measure, some lesser, yet each receives enough to be faithful. The issue is not the size of the initial gift, but whether what is given is multiplied or buried. He who yields to the Spirit sees the portion grow. He who resists, neglects, or buries it remains barren and suffers loss. Therefore accountability is according to faithfulness with what has been given.

The end of this process is not the destruction of personhood, but its transfiguration. Man is not saved by vanishing into Christ as though he ceased to be, but by being incorporated into the life of Christ so fully that his own spirit is remade in union with the Spirit of the Father. The false self dies, but the true self emerges. The beast is overcome, and a son is revealed. What begins as a portion aims toward fullness; what begins as visitation seeks habitation; what begins as seed seeks harvest.

Therefore this mortal life is a field of decision, cultivation, and becoming. Every man spends himself somewhere. He will either spend his life feeding the worm of ego and the desires of corruption, or he will spend his life nourishing the seed of Christ within him. What he obeys, he strengthens. What he strengthens, he becomes. And what he becomes is what will be revealed in the end.

So we affirm: the seed is grace, the soil is the man, obedience is the yielding of life to God, works are the outward form of that yielding, and salvation is the full flowering of Christ in a willing and cultivated soul.

[Javalinda]

Re: Important Coming Date
https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... 9#p1474359

I really like the last paragraph but I don't see anything prophetic in the above. Do you?

Thus far it has been revealed and confirmed that the seventh seal opened in 2010. Also 48 represents warning while 38 represents a tribute in Christ’s name. Revelation and guidance is made possible by many means. The understanding of three keywords BERISHEET GEMATRIA and MAZZAROTH will prove helpful to our discussion. Your investigation did a good job of seeing what may be learned via MAZZAROTH examination.

https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... H#p2852882 is my post as High Spy, which was my favored user name pre and post joining LDS-FF. It will further explore these three key subjects.

PROBABILITY is also pertinent, but no-one to date has properly engaged in a proper discussion to dissuade me from my approximate estimate of one chance in 57 seven million. Basically the calculation involves coming up with a numerator representing the number of moments that generate a phonetic equivalent of Christ. Then dividing it by the number of minutes in 100 years. The 100 years represents the time interval between earthquakes capable of landing Moroni’s instrument as per my posted tweet.

https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtop ... g#p1326118 expands on my statement the “Davidic Servant appears on forum espousing number 57 and BOOM a 5.7 magnitude earthquake lands Moroni’s Instrument.”

Forty

[BeNotDeceived]

Re: Hazbin Hotel (The story of Hell) - Now on Amazon Prime for your kiddos to watch
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Against my better judgement, I watched the show. I wouldn't recommend it, given how profane and obscene it is. It's incredibly degenerate. It's also got a distinct leftist bias, you can tell the creator was very influenced by SJW Tumblr culture. Heterosexual characters are very much the exception, most are some type of deviant. A lot of the humour straddles this weird line of being very juvenile while also being highly perverse. Beyond that, a lot of the content and imagery is blatantly satanic, which I suppose naturally goes with the territory of being a show about Hell. I would say the show is otherwise well-made, unique, and creative; in spite of everything I did enjoy various aspects of it, some of the characters are quite interesting (such as Alastor the Radio Demon), and the overall plot is compelling enough to where I wanted to see the next episode.

Unsurprisingly, Lucifer (who's a secondary character) is cast as actually just being misunderstood, and was ungraciously expelled from heaven because of bigoted close-mindedness and intolerance. He's portrayed as being a typical somewhat-awkward dad, who over the course of the season becomes closer with his estranged daughter Charlie Morningstar, the main character of the show. Charlie is the daughter of Lucifer and Lilith, and is extremely kind, altruistic, caring for others, strongly motivated, and a peacemaker. The main premise of the show is that she wants to establish an institution where sinners in Hell can become reformed and rehabilitated so they can eventually possibly get to heaven.

Heaven, and it's citizens, are basically portrayed as being just as bad as those in Hell. What's more is that no one seems to know what is actually required to get into heaven and what distinguishes the righteous from the sinful. In fact, they have a militant group of warrior angels called The Exorcists (led by Adam) who regularly and systematically come down to massacre major portions of Hell's population (killing them a second time, I guess?). A major hinge point in the plot is when it's discovered how they could be able to fight back (with the angels' own weapons), as well as the revelation of their new plans to not just kill some of Hell's citizens, but rather to wipe out all of them for good. Interestingly, neither God nor Christ are ever mentioned the entire show, and Eve is barely referred to once and not by name, whereas Lilith takes on a major role. In that sense, the plot seems to go more with Talmudic myth rather than a Christian framework.

One aspect I found particularly curious was how Adam is portrayed. He is a major character in the show, and is the main antagonist of the first season. He's presented as a hyperbolic caricature of an obnoxious frat bro stereotype. He's juvenile, vain, selfish, superficial, petty, and ruthless. What I found interesting is that in the story, he actually functions as Michael, being the commander of Heaven's armies, coinciding with the unique LDS doctrine that Adam and Michael are one and the same. Another thing that stuck out to me is that in the show he is a musician, specifically a guitar player. I've been posting here for years about how I think the Davidic Servant may well be Adam and/or Michael, and that akin to David, he will be a musician and guitarist (as per King David). At certain points he uses the guitar/music as a weapon, which strikes me as intuitively correct.

Overall, I wouldn't recommend the show (especially for kids, my word..) based on how thoroughly degenerate it is, but there are other certain aspects of the show that made it enjoyable, and it has a lot of personality. Naturally I can't endorse it though, not only because of how inappropriate it is on a surface level, but also because of it's severe blasphemy, heresy, and theological contortions, which could easily mislead and influence viewers doctrinally speaking.

2 hours ago
8:00 - The Alphabet we have today has a special order of the letters. The groups of consonants along with the five vowels correlates perfectly with the notes in the musical scale. The white and black keys on the piano. The vowels are the black keys, and groups of consonants are the white keys. Here is the full grouping:

a-BCD-e-FGH-i-JKL-MN-o-PQRST-u-VW-XYZ

The middle of the 26 letters is the letter 'M'. Here is where we split the sequence so that it correlates exactly with the Major Scale. When playing this scale, you start with the root note, and then end on that same note. So we start with the 'MN' group, and we place it again at the end to complete the full musical scale:

MN-o-PQRST-u-VW-XYZ-a-BCD-e-FGH-i-JKL-MN

Again, the groups of consonants are the white keys, and the vowels are the black keys. So to play the Major Scale, just go from each grouping of consonants, and skip all of the black key vowels.

Now there are deeper correlations to be found in the alphabet. Why 26 letters? To get to a deeper answer to this question, let's first look at the 12 months of the year. Here too we find a correlation to music. Certain months have 31 days. And the other months have less than that. 30 days, or 29, or 28 days. There is a very specific correlation as to which months get 31 days, versus the other months which have less days. Here the 31 day months are the white keys on the piano, and the shorter months are the black keys.

The mnemonic taught to children is to go by the knuckles on their hands. Starting with January, going left to right, the knuckles are the 31 day months, and the space between the knuckles are the short months. February, etc. Notice how these 12 spots correlate exactly with the piano keyboard. On your left hand you have a group of 4 white keys with 3 black keys between them. And on your right hand you have a group of 3 white keys with 2 black keys in between. To play the major scale, start with the first knuckle on your right hand.

This is the month of August. And each of the 12 months correspond to each of the 12 black & white piano keys in an octave. The exact same pattern we found in the consonants and vowels of our alphabet. It is the Moon which divides the year into 12 'moonths'. Each lunar cycle can be readily observed as having 4 quarters. And each full-cycle lunation is ~29.5 days. So each quarter is roughly one week long each. The more exact number is 7.38... days for each quarter cycle. The year is divided into 52 weeks, short by one and a quarter days:

7x52 =364

And the year is just a hair over 365.24 days. Those 52 weeks are split into 4 seasons of 13 weeks each:

4x13 =52

Here is where we get the special number of having 26 letters in the alphabet. When we count the capital letters along with the lower case letters, we have 26x2 =52. Now we can see that each letter corresponds with each week of the full year. Those 4 seasons of 13 weeks each also corresponds perfectly with a deck of playing cards. Each suit of Hearts, Diamonds, Spades and Clubs represent the four seasons of the year. Diamonds are wintery, with pointy edges as snowflakes and ice crystals have. Spades are what you use to plant crops in the Spring. Clubs are like clovers which grow after planting, so represent the Summer. And Hearts are the Autumn, because of the deep emotions you feel when the life cycle is completed and life comes to an end.

Each year we experience these 52 weeks which are grouped into 4 seasons of 13 weeks each. The months match the musical notes on the piano. And so do the letters. When the full alphabet is organized to have 26 letters, no more, and no less, then we likewise have this perfect correlation to the weeks of the year. Along with how the consonant groups and vowels have their perfect correlation with musical notes.

So the next time you find yourself scratching your head as to why February has such few days compared to the other months, you can know that there was deep wisdom infused into our calendar system and also our system of letters.

The house thing sounds similar to biblical languages.

See march8miracle.org for correlations.

[High Spy]