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Valo wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 4:46 pm ...who or what are they?

I'm inspired to ask the question but not inspired enough to know the answer.

Are they real? Where are they? What are they doing?

Anything else?

3 Nephi 28

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 8?lang=eng

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:42 am

Valo wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 4:46 pm ...who or what are they?

I'm inspired to ask the question but not inspired enough to know the answer.

Are they real? Where are they? What are they doing?

Anything else?

3 Nephi 28

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 8?lang=eng

Third Nephi is not scripture. Nor is it history. It is pure made up bunk.

Finrock wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:24 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:42 am

Valo wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 4:46 pm ...who or what are they?

I'm inspired to ask the question but not inspired enough to know the answer.

Are they real? Where are they? What are they doing?

Anything else?

3 Nephi 28

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 8?lang=eng

Third Nephi is not scripture. Nor is it history. It is pure made up bunk.

Oh boy!

"7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you;
10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it.
11 But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence there is no return."

Nothing good in that?

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:26 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:24 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:42 am
Third Nephi is not scripture. Nor is it history. It is pure made up bunk.

Oh boy!

"7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you;
10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it.
11 But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence there is no return."

Nothing good in that?

"For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man;"

The church of Christ does not have a name. It is not made up of buildings. It does not have a headquarters or some human pontiff. If anyone starts a church and calls it the Church of Moses it's not a church. It is an organization called a church. If someone starts a church called, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" it is not a church. It is an organization that is called a church. When Christ said to Peter, "upon this rock I will build my church" he was speaking of himself. Christ is the chief cornerstone of his church. And everyone that has his Spirit in them is a member of his church. It does not matter of what religion someone is or even if they have never heard of Jesus if they have his Spirit within them they are of his church. They will be resurrected. After the resurrection they will either be with the Lord in New Jerusalem or they will be upon the new earth. The second life on the new earth is a second chance to get things right. That is when "an angel" preaches the gospel to every living soul. Once each one of us hears the truth from the angel then sin is unforgiveable. However we too will be given the earnest of the Spirit if we chose it so that we will not sin. There is no human organization that controls any part of that.

Edit: And another truth is that Revelation has been added to. Revelation is from the time of Daniel. "Jesus Christ" and the seven churches and the "I am the alpha and omega and I come quickly" was all added. Sad but true !

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:26 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:24 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:42 am
Third Nephi is not scripture. Nor is it history. It is pure made up bunk.

Oh boy!

"7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you;
10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it.
11 But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence there is no return."

Nothing good in that?

"For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man;"

The church of Christ does not have a name. It is not made up of buildings. It does not have a headquarters or some human pontiff. If anyone starts a church and calls it the Church of Moses it's not a church. It is an organization called a church. If someone starts a church called, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" it is not a church. It is an organization that is called a church. When Christ said to Peter, "upon this rock I will build my church" he was speaking of himself. Christ is the chief cornerstone of his church. And everyone that has his Spirit in them is a member of his church. It does not matter of what religion someone is or even if they have never heard of Jesus if they have his Spirit within them they are of his church. They will be resurrected. After the resurrection they will either be with the Lord in New Jerusalem or they will be upon the new earth. The second life on the new earth is a second chance to get things right. That is when "an angel" preaches the gospel to every living soul. Once each one of us hears the truth from the angel then sin is unforgiveable. However we too will be given the earnest of the Spirit if we chose it so that we will not sin. There is no human organization that controls any part of that.

Edit: And another truth is that Revelation has been added to. Revelation is from the time of Daniel. "Jesus Christ" and the seven churches and the "I am the alpha and omega and I come quickly" was all added. Sad but true !

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:26 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:24 pm

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 5:42 am
Third Nephi is not scripture. Nor is it history. It is pure made up bunk.

Oh boy!

"7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you;
10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it.
11 But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence there is no return."

Nothing good in that?

"For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man;"

The church of Christ does not have a name. It is not made up of buildings. It does not have a headquarters or some human pontiff. If anyone starts a church and calls it the Church of Moses it's not a church. It is an organization called a church. If someone starts a church called, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" it is not a church. It is an organization that is called a church. When Christ said to Peter, "upon this rock I will build my church" he was speaking of himself. Christ is the chief cornerstone of his church. And everyone that has his Spirit in them is a member of his church. It does not matter of what religion someone is or even if they have never heard of Jesus if they have his Spirit within them they are of his church. They will be resurrected. After the resurrection they will either be with the Lord in New Jerusalem or they will be upon the new earth. The second life on the new earth is a second chance to get things right. That is when "an angel" preaches the gospel to every living soul. Once each one of us hears the truth from the angel then sin is unforgiveable. However we too will be given the earnest of the Spirit if we chose it so that we will not sin. There is no human organization that controls any part of that.

Edit: And another truth is that Revelation has been added to. Revelation is from the time of Daniel. "Jesus Christ" and the seven churches and the "I am the alpha and omega and I come quickly" was all added. Sad but true !

Valo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:40 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:26 pm

Finrock wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 2:24 pm

Oh boy!

"7 Therefore, whatsoever ye shall do, ye shall do it in my name; therefore ye shall call the church in my name; and ye shall call upon the Father in my name that he will bless the church for my sake.
8 And how be it my church save it be called in my name? For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man; but if it be called in my name then it is my church, if it so be that they are built upon my gospel.
9 Verily I say unto you, that ye are built upon my gospel; therefore ye shall call whatsoever things ye do call, in my name; therefore if ye call upon the Father, for the church, if it be in my name the Father will hear you;
10 And if it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it.
11 But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men, or upon the works of the devil, verily I say unto you they have joy in their works for a season, and by and by the end cometh, and they are hewn down and cast into the fire, from whence there is no return."

Nothing good in that?

"For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man;"

The church of Christ does not have a name. It is not made up of buildings. It does not have a headquarters or some human pontiff. If anyone starts a church and calls it the Church of Moses it's not a church. It is an organization called a church. If someone starts a church called, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" it is not a church. It is an organization that is called a church. When Christ said to Peter, "upon this rock I will build my church" he was speaking of himself. Christ is the chief cornerstone of his church. And everyone that has his Spirit in them is a member of his church. It does not matter of what religion someone is or even if they have never heard of Jesus if they have his Spirit within them they are of his church. They will be resurrected. After the resurrection they will either be with the Lord in New Jerusalem or they will be upon the new earth. The second life on the new earth is a second chance to get things right. That is when "an angel" preaches the gospel to every living soul. Once each one of us hears the truth from the angel then sin is unforgiveable. However we too will be given the earnest of the Spirit if we chose it so that we will not sin. There is no human organization that controls any part of that.

Edit: And another truth is that Revelation has been added to. Revelation is from the time of Daniel. "Jesus Christ" and the seven churches and the "I am the alpha and omega and I come quickly" was all added. Sad but true !

There is an implications here that it isn't just the wheat who are members of the Church of Christ, is that correct?

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 4:35 am

Valo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 2:40 am

The Wicker Man wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 4:26 pm
"For if a church be called in Moses’ name then it be Moses’ church; or if it be called in the name of a man then it be the church of a man;"

The church of Christ does not have a name. It is not made up of buildings. It does not have a headquarters or some human pontiff. If anyone starts a church and calls it the Church of Moses it's not a church. It is an organization called a church. If someone starts a church called, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" it is not a church. It is an organization that is called a church. When Christ said to Peter, "upon this rock I will build my church" he was speaking of himself. Christ is the chief cornerstone of his church. And everyone that has his Spirit in them is a member of his church. It does not matter of what religion someone is or even if they have never heard of Jesus if they have his Spirit within them they are of his church. They will be resurrected. After the resurrection they will either be with the Lord in New Jerusalem or they will be upon the new earth. The second life on the new earth is a second chance to get things right. That is when "an angel" preaches the gospel to every living soul. Once each one of us hears the truth from the angel then sin is unforgiveable. However we too will be given the earnest of the Spirit if we chose it so that we will not sin. There is no human organization that controls any part of that.

Edit: And another truth is that Revelation has been added to. Revelation is from the time of Daniel. "Jesus Christ" and the seven churches and the "I am the alpha and omega and I come quickly" was all added. Sad but true !

There is an implications here that it isn't just the wheat who are members of the Church of Christ, is that correct?

Those of some other grain are also. Wheat is the best grain but there are other good grains. But the tares are not.

Wheat: Resurrected and go to be with Christ in the Fathers house.

Some other grain: Resurrected upon the new earth.

Tares: Not resurrected.

Gadianton wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 4:37 pm

My point isn't that I think there is some sort of unfair test out there. It's to point out the silly notion that we should be able to recognize Christ at all. Why? Based on some sort of warm feeling in our chest? No one who has claimed to have seen Him actually knows it's Him as opposed to some sort of super advanced being messing with us. But, for some reason, people just waive off the thought of an alien appearing to us as not believable but embrace the story that a 2000-year-old man coming back from the dead to visit as believable. It should be the other way around, in my opinion.

I totally agree. In fact, Travis Taylor said in an early Skinwalker Ranch episode that aliens probably visited Joseph Smith.

High Spy wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 8:58 pm Re: Do modern apostles no longer get visits from The Savior?
https://discussmormonism.com/viewtopic. ... 4#p2863074

Gadianton wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2024 4:37 pm

My point isn't that I think there is some sort of unfair test out there. It's to point out the silly notion that we should be able to recognize Christ at all. Why? Based on some sort of warm feeling in our chest? No one who has claimed to have seen Him actually knows it's Him as opposed to some sort of super advanced being messing with us. But, for some reason, people just waive off the thought of an alien appearing to us as not believable but embrace the story that a 2000-year-old man coming back from the dead to visit as believable. It should be the other way around, in my opinion.

I totally agree. In fact, Travis Taylor said in an early Skinwalker Ranch episode that aliens probably visited Joseph Smith.

Moroni as an Angel was total bunk, and now The Three Nephites too as per the latest revelation. I believe Angel visitations are described in the Bible; unfortunately parts of the Bible aren’t what they’re cracked up to be. What’s the point of cracking books, now that TWM has graced us with his presence.

Maybe books may clue up some good questions.

When you wake up in the morning, tell yourself
The people I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous
And surly
They are like this cause they can’t tell good from evil
But I have seen the beauty of good
And the ugliness of evil
And have recognized that the wrongdoer has a nature related to my own

Not of the same blood or birth, but the same mind
And possessing a share of the divine
Not of the same blood or birth, but the same mind
And possessing a share of the divine


Not of the same blood or birth, but the same mind
And possessing a share of the divine
Not of the same blood or birth, but the same mind
And possessing a share of the divine

And so none of them can hurt me
No one can implicate me in ugliness
Nor can I feel angry at my relative, or hate him
We were born to work together like feet, hands, and eyes
Like the two rows of teeth
Upper and lower
To obstruct each other is unnatural
To feel anger at someone
To turn your back on him
These are obstructions
Yo

[Pre-Chorus]
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart

[Chorus]
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart


Whatever this is that I am, it is flesh, a little spirit, an intelligence
Throw away your books
Stop letting yourself be distracted
That is not allowed
Instead, as if you were dying right now
Despise your flesh!
A mess of blood, pieces of bone, a woven tangle of nerves, veins, arteries
Consider what the spirit is
Air
And never the same air
But vomited out and gulped in again every instant

[Breathing]

Finally
The intelligence
Think of it this way
You are an old man
Stop allowing your mind to be a slave
To be jerked about by selfish impulses
To kick against fate and the present
And to mistrust the future

What is divine is full of Providence
Even chance is not divorced from nature
From the inweaving and enfolding of things
Governed by Providence
Everything proceeds from it

And then there is necessity and the needs of the whole world
Of which you are a part
Whatever the nature of the whole does, and whatever serves to maintain it
Is good for every part of nature
The world is maintained by change
In the elements and in the things they compose
That should be enough for you
Treat it as an axiom
(Treat it as an axiom)

[Pre-Chorus]
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart

Chorus]
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart

Bridge]
Oh!
What a glorious thing
Waking up in the morning, baby
Oh!
What a glorious thing
Yes, I have a whole day! Hey!
Oh!
What a glorious thing
Waking up in the morning, baby
Oh-oh!
What a glorious thing
Yes, I have a whole —— day!

[Chorus]
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Discard your thirst for books
So you won’t die in bitterness
But in cheerfulness and truth
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart
Grateful to the gods from the bottom of your heart


[Outro]
Remember how long you’ve been putting this off
How many extensions the Gods gave you
And you didn’t use them
At some point you have to recognize what world it is that you belong to
What power rules it and from what source you spring
That there is a limit to the time assigned to you
And if you don’t use it to free yourself it will be gone
And will never
Return