Joseph, Rigdon, Pratt, and Whitmer plus a bunch of others including one or two of my lineage were legit. Martin Harris was the king maker/financier. As per the Pious Fraud model advocated by Dan Vogel.
What do you think of that analogy.
Re: Did the church dwindle on the vine?
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:05 am
by Valo
CQ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:37 am
Joseph, Rigdon, Pratt, and Whitmer plus a bunch of others including one or two of my lineage were legit. Martin Harris was the king maker/financier. As per the Pious Fraud model advocated by Dan Vogel.
CQ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:37 am
Joseph, Rigdon, Pratt, and Whitmer plus a bunch of others including one or two of my lineage were legit. Martin Harris was the king maker/financier. As per the Pious Fraud model advocated by Dan Vogel.
CQ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:37 am
Joseph, Rigdon, Pratt, and Whitmer plus a bunch of others including one or two of my lineage were legit. Martin Harris was the king maker/financier. As per the Pious Fraud model advocated by Dan Vogel.
What do you think of that analogy.
Harris the corrupted?
...
Corrupted how?
The Corrupter?
I wad asking. Are you saying Martin Harris is the corrupter of the legit?
...
Re: Did the church dwindle on the vine?
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:53 am
by CQ
Harris mostly seems legit, except his story about seeing the Angel Moroni, and the plates are questionable too. Folklore was weird in those days.
CQ wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:37 am
Joseph, Rigdon, Pratt, and Whitmer plus a bunch of others including one or two of my lineage were legit. Martin Harris was the king maker/financier. As per the Pious Fraud model advocated by Dan Vogel.
What do you think of that analogy.
Harris the corrupted?
...
Martin was the main financer that paid to get the manuscript published. Sidney Rigdon was the originator as per The Spirit via TWM, iirc. I listened to the first hour and don’t recall Harris being mentioned in the video below.
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kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:21 pm
Oh how many times have I posted death bead information and other family quotes from the Rigdons showing you are deceived. Troll.
Perhaps you’ll discover what The Spirit of Truth told Michael Sherwin, which are regularly confirmed in videos, such as the one above that show Sidney Rigdon receiving letters at the Pittsburgh Post Office at particular times that counters the official narrative.
Gadianton wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:56 pm
The funny thing is, of all the time science has been wrong, it's been wrong by the discovery of scientists. Likewise, when religion has been wrong, it's scientists who have done the correcting.
Scientists correct science, and scientists correct religions. Religion corrects nobody.
A Disciple wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:41 pm
They are about to be smacked in the face with a two by four as public mood on the jabs and Covid response is changing. I think the best conference talk any of the Q15 can give in 2024 is "Dear members, don't be like us. Don't follow the uneducated and corrupt opinion of the crowd."
They “don’t issue apologies.”
They and those who follow them seem to be narcissistic or easily fooled and like narcissists - who live in their fantasy world where they never make mistakes & it’s always someone else’s fault.
If they were to miraculously admit being mistaken, I imagine many immature members would leave the church based on a false dichotomy church leaders implanted. Eg. “The church is EITHER true OR not.” This is who so many go straight to atheism after leaving the church. Stuck in bipolar/polarized thinking.
The following better elucidates the few kernels of truth in a haystack of deception.
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will...
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
2 Tim.
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
Re: Did the church dwindle on the vine?
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 6:56 pm
by Valo
Romans 7:18
After all, the Law itself is really concerned with the spiritual—it is I who am carnal, and have sold my soul to sin. In practice, what happens? My own behaviour baffles me. For I find myself not doing what I really want to do but doing what I really loathe. Yet surely if I do things that I really don’t want to do, I am admitting that I really agree with the Law. But it cannot be said that “I” am doing them at all—it must be sin that has made its home in my nature. (And indeed, I know from experience that the carnal side of my being can scarcely be called the home of good!) I often find that I have the will to do good, but not the power. That is, I don’t accomplish the good I set out to do, and the evil I don’t really want to do I find I am always doing. Yet if I do things that I don’t really want to do then it is not, I repeat, “I” who do them, but the sin which has made its home within me.
KJV21
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) dwelleth no good thing; for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good, I find not.
Re: Did the church dwindle on the vine?
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:13 pm
by High Spy
BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:27 am
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